I don’t see accent stripes on the collars.
While I have not had the chance to wear the uniform on a trip yet, just trying it on, it is better quality than our current uniforms. Our goal during the testing is to try out the comfort and durability of the uniform, not critique the colors.

 

You seriously want to pin the blowback on “pilot’s don’t like change”? This is a 5-7 year garment and goes so far beyond the annoyance of learning a new callout or SOP procedure.

Nothing I suggested is personal, it’s just business to give the majority of pilots a voice. PDRs don’t mean squat.

The fact that there hasn’t been a peep from the committee should tell you something.

 

EXACLTY.......we are going to be stuck with this POS! The uniform committee needs to address this NOW!

"File a PDR!" sure ok........but what is the UNION (OUR UNION) going to do about it? The average Joe line pilot says "SEND IT BACK" but not a peep from our Union.........

 

And there’s the problem, no?
Does the company provide a chain for the pocket watch or do you provide you own?

Seriously, was there any guidance on that ridiculous second jacket pocket?

 

Read the feedback on Flying Together.....98.7% SAY IT SUCKS!

What a joke this whole event has become!

"Focus on the contract!" (Yeah about that...)

"Its the color palette!" (new words we learn like "Tranche")

"I am a fashion model part time, even though I wear sneakers and a members only jacket on my layovers--and I think this new uniform is great! I love the 2nd pocket for my movie tickets! " (DORK!)

"My wife loves it". (Go find out how homely said wife looks like)

"The thin stripes set up about from all those scumbag regional airlines!"

 

PDRs don’t carry ANY weight for change. It’s s data point, that’s all.

ALPA business occurs in the union hall via the resolution process. To change this, pilots will have to show up at a union meeting and tender a resolution.

 

There's a lot of delusion in the last couple of pages of this thread. Things must be perfect around here if the uniform issue commands this much energy.

It's just a F'n uniform. It's not part of the compensation package and has no bearing on work rules.

If there are parts of the finished product you don't like you can protest by not wearing that item in 2020. But don't lose focus on what is really important to all of us now.

 

The first part is untrue. The PDR system has provided data that has brought change and refinement to our contract, its interpretation and implementation.

By filing a PDR about this uniform issue pilots will be writing directly to those involved in the decision process. The contractural uniform is basically two-fold, we have a say and the Company will pay for any changes.

The second part is a bit more difficult to quantify. I've heard seen and been a part of resolutions that rarely do anything other than make a few people feel heard.

I might also add the grievance process has and will continue to be a vital part of the contract refinement process.

 

Just a quick question....have you actually spoken to your rep about this? If not, I believe it would be worth your time to get a little more information on the process.....where it has been and where it is going. There are things they can say that they won't publish.

It's obvious that you and Randy are VERY passionate about this. I appreciate that.....and.....there was no way everybody was going to be happy about the outcome. If it would have been grey, a different group would be calling for someone's head. Or if the stripes had been this or that and so on and so on.

Do I believe that a resistance to change is a big part of this.....you bet I do! How much did people whine about wearing a walk around vest? Ask a LUAL pilot what they think about the cheese grater on the tail....ask a LCAL pilot about saying "United" on the radio. Change is hard....it's not just a saying!

Posters argue that because most of the comments are negative, everyone is against it. As in most things, negative emotions/comments are the ones that are most visible......remember the vocal minority bracelet??? We haven't even heard from 1% of the group, I have no idea how the other 99% feel.

YOUR MEC approved this new uniform after weighing the options provided by the uniform committee. Is the color what I would have chosen no. Is it unacceptable??? Since it's close to the old legacy United blue and what American used to have, I can't see an argument there.

Are the thin stripes unacceptable? Let's see....legacy United, UPS, Alaska have them so I would say no.

Is silver unacceptable? Obviously not.

How about the tie? Would it be my choice.....hell no! Did ALPA have any say in the accent color given to our group....nope. Can we do better? Totally!

I applaud your desire to engage in the process, that's how it is supposed to work. We also have to trust in the process and accept the results when it has run its course.

No matter what the final color/style is, there will be unhappy pilots......that's a fact none of us can argue.

 

I agree PDRs are data points, nothing more. Understand that PDRs will not direct union business although they can help detect the scope contractual violation/non compliance.

Resolutions are THE ONLY method of completing representational action for new business and or direction. Read the MEC meeting compilation of action and see if there’s any ongoing initiative that didn’t begin as a resolution. In fact I’d challenge you to provide examples of policy or direction that didn’t start as resolutions. On this point, you’re simply wrong.

The grievance process has nothing to do with new uniforms unless the company fails to pay for cleaning. Certainly you’re not suggesting a grievance over the new colors, cut, or fabric.