Notices

Vacancy 20-03V

Old 10-13-2019, 04:10 PM
  #31  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Sunvox's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
Posts: 1,715
Default

Originally Posted by GiggidyGone View Post
The previous vacancy bid had snapshots everyday. Don’t see any for this vacancy yet. When will the snapshots post?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Only on business days. First Snap Shot on Monday.

Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
This 100x over. F Boeing (mgmt).
Couldn't agree more, but a company is more than it's management or do y'all think we are worthy of being equated with Tilton? Don't half comment.
Sunvox is offline  
Old 10-14-2019, 09:13 AM
  #32  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
MasterOfPuppets's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,078
Default

First Snap is out
MasterOfPuppets is online now  
Old 10-14-2019, 09:39 AM
  #33  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
MasterOfPuppets's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,078
Default

I am actually very surprised how senior almost everything went. I guess the outline of when to expect training caused a lot to jump.
MasterOfPuppets is online now  
Old 10-14-2019, 10:30 AM
  #34  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 907
Default

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets View Post
I am actually very surprised how senior almost everything went. I guess the outline of when to expect training caused a lot to jump.
It will be interesting to see the final because of what is possible with secondary awards. Language from the Vacancy announcement below:
Section 8-C-4-a (see UPA Rewrite dated May 8, 2019 for details) will be utilized in this vacancy bid, and the
eligible categories are identified below. That provision allows for secondary awards, over and above the
number of advertised primary vacancies for a category, in order to meet training needs. Using EWR 777 CAP
as an example, that category has 10 primary vacancies listed below. Section 8-C-4-a gives the Company the
option to continue making vacancy awards, until EWR 777 CAP is awarded to 10 pilots who require training. In
other words, if there are lateral awards into EWR 777 CAP, awards may be made beyond the first 10.
Right now a bunch of the 777 CA awards are laterals, so they could create a good number more 777 CA slots to fill training.
  • 4 DCA 777 CAP
  • 1 EWR 777 CAP
  • 3 IAH 777 CAP
  • 3 SFO 777 CAP
So, as it stands right now there could be 11 more 777 CAP bids given out in the final award than are shown today. That, of course, would have a huge ripple effect down the seniority list.

Also, most of the DEN 737 CAP awards and almost all of the DEN 737 FO awards are laterals, so if they take advantage of the secondary award language for those locations, you could see a bunch more movement in Denver, potentially even "unfilled" 737 FO slots.

All of this depends on how much Manpower Planning uses that availability. Figure since they actually have gone out of their way to include the info in the Vacancy Announcement, we should see at least some secondary awards.
GoCats67 is offline  
Old 10-14-2019, 12:33 PM
  #35  
You look like a nail
 
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 451
Default

Originally Posted by GoCats67 View Post
Right now a bunch of the 777 CA awards are laterals, so they could create a good number more 777 CA slots to fill training.
4 DCA 777 CAP
1 EWR 777 CAP
3 IAH 777 CAP
3 SFO 777 CAP
Don’t forget the backfills for all the ORD777CA that are bidding the new ORD787 base.
Thor is offline  
Old 10-14-2019, 01:54 PM
  #36  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 42
Default

Originally Posted by Thor View Post
Don’t forget the backfills for all the ORD777CA that are bidding the new ORD787 base.
There will not be any backfills to the 777 in ORD for either seat. This category is being reduced and looking at the HUGE spread between Max and Mins in the bulletin, you can see there won't be backfills.
Rolan75 is offline  
Old 10-14-2019, 03:52 PM
  #37  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jul 2019
Posts: 51
Default

No way there will be unfilled Denver positions. This is the first vacancy bid my new hire class is competitive for and over 400 folks have been hired since then.
Tini is offline  
Old 10-14-2019, 07:06 PM
  #38  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 907
Default

Originally Posted by Tini View Post
No way there will be unfilled Denver positions. This is the first vacancy bid my new hire class is competitive for and over 400 folks have been hired since then.
while you are probably correct, I am reminded of Dumb and Dumber - "So you are telling me there's a chance."

Right now on the snapshot, there are 27 awards to DEN 737 FO and the juniormost award is about 225 seniority numbers from the bottom of the seniority list. So, by just that info it doesn't look too promising. However, when you consider that 26 of those 27 awards are laterals you realize that there is a chance. Right now if the company so desired, they could continue awarding DEN 737 FO positions until they got to 26 more pilots that needed 737 training. Since there are not 26 pilots at that seniority level that are legal to be awarded a 737 assignment (new hires on the 320 or 756 are not eligible) that would require training, that means they can award as many 737 FO positions in Den as they want. Now I don't know how many they will elect to award, but they will need to decide between DEN, IAH, and EWR on where they want to keep awarding. If they are satisfied with the numbers in IAH and DEN, then they will stick with the unfilled spots they have in LAX, SFO, and EWR or just keep awarding unfilled spots in EWR until they get to enough unfilled spots to fill their training needs. Then new hires going to the 737 will all be going to traditional spots of SFO, LAX or EWR.

That coupled with the fact that they can also award 7 more DEN 737 CAP slots than are currently being shown, means you could have extra movement from that as well.

So, I am back to Dumb and Dumber:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
a chance.jpg (4.3 KB, 604 views)
GoCats67 is offline  
Old 10-14-2019, 10:04 PM
  #39  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jul 2019
Posts: 51
Default

Interesting points! Thanks for the write up. The snapshots are fun to look at!
Tini is offline  
Old 10-15-2019, 08:33 AM
  #40  
You look like a nail
 
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 451
Default

Originally Posted by Rolan75 View Post
There will not be any backfills to the 777 in ORD for either seat. This category is being reduced and looking at the HUGE spread between Max and Mins in the bulletin, you can see there won't be backfills.
I see that now, thanks. I just read the SSC report which provides good insight.
Thor is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
sarahswhere
United
64
05-20-2015 12:58 PM
steve0617
United
1
10-03-2014 01:28 PM
C-17 Driver
United
47
07-18-2014 07:08 PM
ERJ135
Regional
43
07-21-2008 06:49 PM
DiamondZ
Cargo
26
08-03-2007 01:18 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices