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Old 10-16-2019, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FlewNavy View Post
If they haven't been trained yet there is no seat lock. How long is the 737 upgrade short course? Pretty sure there is a section of the UPA that addresses short training courses and a 1 year freeze.
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SYSTEMS Day 1: Systems 1 and 2 Day 2: Systems 3 and 4 Day 3: SV
PROCEDURES Day 4: FTDB 3 Day 5: FTDB 4 Day 6: FTDB 5 (PV)
MANEUVERS Day 7: FFS 1 Day 8: FFS 3 Day 9: FFS 5 (MV)
LOFT Day 10: FFS 6 Day 11: FFS 8 Day 12: FFS 9
LOE Day 13: FFS 10 (QLOE)
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Old 10-16-2019, 01:55 PM
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Question for the smart ones..
With an effective date of March 1, does that mean training completed by then? If so including IOE?

The reason I ask is I have a week vacation in each month Dec-Apr. Plus a cruise paid for in Dec for the whole family. Was thinking of upgrading to Capt but don't want to lose 5 weeks of vacation, or risk my cruise in Dec.

Last question, what happens to lost vacation? 401k?

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Old 10-16-2019, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by skiutah View Post
Question for the smart ones..
With an effective date of March 1, does that mean training completed by then? If so including IOE?

The reason I ask is I have a week vacation in each month Dec-Apr. Plus a cruise paid for in Dec for the whole family. Was thinking of upgrading to Capt but don't want to lose 5 weeks of vacation, or risk my cruise in Dec.

Last question, what happens to lost vacation? 401k?

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March 1 is the effective date...basically the date you should be available to start flying in that seat. Sort of a moving target. I upgraded in 19-05, started TK 3/17, finished OE 4/30 and consolidation 5/28.

You will likely lose your vacation so you have to weigh the risk of trying to avoid training in December. Carlson is pretty good about answering questions like that. Any vacation you lose becomes available for monthly bidding. The catch is...you won’t have time to do monthly bidding before the vacation year ends. That lost vacation will be paid out into your PRAP without the 16% from company.

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Old 10-16-2019, 02:54 PM
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Thanks for the reply, I guess I'll wait for the Dec bid.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:33 PM
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How about a lateral move? Is it effective in march or do they allow a faster transfer?
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:48 PM
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How about a lateral move? Is it effective in march or do they allow a faster transfer?
It can happen faster, just depends on staffing needs for losing and gaining category.
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:59 PM
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This is a great productive thread. Thank you all for the info. Much appreciated and cheers to continued vacancies!
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Old 10-19-2019, 10:57 AM
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The vacancies on the snapshot in unadvertised categories (i.e. LAX 320 CA) are projected backfills.....correct?
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Old 10-19-2019, 12:32 PM
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The vacancies on the snapshot in unadvertised categories (i.e. LAX 320 CA) are projected backfills.....correct?
Yes.

If a category goes below the MIN #, then backfills occur including unadvertised categories.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer View Post
March 1 is the effective date...basically the date you should be available to start flying in that seat. Sort of a moving target. I upgraded in 19-05, started TK 3/17, finished OE 4/30 and consolidation 5/28.

You will likely lose your vacation so you have to weigh the risk of trying to avoid training in December. Carlson is pretty good about answering questions like that. Any vacation you lose becomes available for monthly bidding. The catch is...you won’t have time to do monthly bidding before the vacation year ends. That lost vacation will be paid out into your PRAP without the 16% from company.
FWIW I lost vacation last March for IOE and rebid it as monthly and got it back a week later than originally scheduled. Also, if you’re going to an airplane that you’ve already consolidated on, you don’t need to consolidate again. You’re only subject to high mins for first 100 hours.
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