Originally Posted by Andy

PPU is not a 'get' for the pilot group; it is a 'get' for management. It is much cheaper to pay premium than to cancel a flight.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

So you’re saying you’re willing to fly for straight pay for the company, but a pilot who the company has to pay more for is somehow better for the company? That makes no sense. I’m sure if enough flights cancel because pilots won’t fly them, the company will just use our code share partners to fly them instead. You will have really punished the company.

Originally Posted by pilotgolfer

I believe he is saying it’s manpower negative. It’s cheaper for the company to carry fewer pilots and use PPU as a bandaid to cover the schedule.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

I’ve been here 25+ years, and pilots not picking up PP trips or not accepting SRM has never resulted in the company bringing back pilots before they were ready to. They would just cancel the trip, and that pilot income opportunity would be gone. Plus many pilots have been forcibly downgraded in pay, and they will want to make up for that. Everything done within the limits of the contract is fair game. If ALPA wants new rules, they can agree to them contractually with the company, otherwise its status quo.

If you are advocating taking an action against the company that is not something we have been regularly and notoriously been doing for the past 5+ years, then you can do that yourself. I will operate no differently than I have in the past, unless ALPA puts out something official. “Official” means published by the MEC. Not an individual pilot spreading his personal agenda.

If you are actually concerned with furloughees coming back then the best thing you can do to help is to make sure that the company is doing well operationally and financially so that the company will grow to a point where they need to recall furloughed pilots. Making it difficult on the company is not going to get them to act in the way you are suggesting. If we are doing poorly, we are either going to set ourselves up for a merger which, as you may have noticed, does not work out well for furloughed pilots or management will want to further shrink to become profitable.

I see no issues with making sure we are doing well financially as a company, so as to bring back our furloughed pilots as fast as possible, and if in doing so the company is being forced to pay pilots more because of their poor planning, then that its a win-win.

Originally Posted by Andy

You'd have to answer your phone for that to take place. Is that even still in the contract or are you just reminiscing?
I haven't heard of anyone getting involuntarily junior manned in ages. When's the last time it occurred?

Originally Posted by pilotgolfer

I believe he is saying it’s manpower negative. It’s cheaper for the company to carry fewer pilots and use PPU as a bandaid to cover the schedule.

But then again, you knew that. You are just watering at the mouth at the thought of feeding at the trough. 🐖🐖🐖🐖🐀🐀🐀

Originally Posted by SONORA PASS

Andy,

The company agreed to stop using JRM post JCBA as it was agreed it was not required. Why? PP made some of those less desirable trips desirable.

I will NOT defend picking up extra time (PP or not) with any pilots on furlough, that is wrong in my book. The company however will cover undesirable trips using a carrot or a stick.

SP

Originally Posted by O2pilot

So I start the month with a 70 hour line.

I am able to drop a trip that was 20 hours (didn’t like the trip, needed a day off, etc)

I’m now at 50 hours.

Later on I decide to get back to the 70 hours, and go into CCS and lo and behold there is a 20 hour trip that’s also PP (50, 75, 100%)

You’re saying I should not pick the trip up, and just wait for a straight time 20 hour trip?

Originally Posted by O2pilot

So I start the month with a 70 hour line.

I am able to drop a trip that was 20 hours (didn’t like the trip, needed a day off, etc)

I’m now at 50 hours.

Later on I decide to get back to the 70 hours, and go into CCS and lo and behold there is a 20 hour trip that’s also PP (50, 75, 100%)

You’re saying I should not pick the trip up, and just wait for a straight time 20 hour trip?

Originally Posted by Thor

No, I think he’s saying that you shouldn’t get paid any extra, just the 70 hours. So in addition to having pilots on furlough, which sucks, in this model the remaining pilots get to fix the company’s scheduling problems for free. Makes sense right?