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06-18-2020 | 08:52 AM
#121
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No pilot gained/lost more than 5%. This magical % they lost comes from the way they built their proposal, where the bottom CAL pilot was at 100% seniority, but the bottom United pilot was at 127% seniority, because they put the bottom active United pilot at 100% (Bot not the bottom active CAL pilot). This is how all those “I lost 15%” stories came up.
06-19-2020 | 07:30 PM
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No pilot gained/lost more than 5%. This magical % they lost comes from the way they built their proposal, where the bottom CAL pilot was at 100% seniority, but the bottom United pilot was at 127% seniority, because they put the bottom active United pilot at 100% (Bot not the bottom active CAL pilot). This is how all those “I lost 15%” stories came up.
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06-19-2020 | 08:07 PM
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According to the seniority list from 2010 provided by the CAL MEC for the integration, the pilot at exactly 60% was an August 5th 1998 hire. That pilot ended up at 60.2% on the final seniority list. A drop of only .2%.
The 75% pilot at CAL pre-merger was an August 9th 2005 hire. That pilot ended up at 73.1% on the SLI. He improved himself 1.9% relative seniority.
Not sure how you went from 60% to 75%.
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06-20-2020 | 04:37 AM
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I can solve this quickly.
According to the seniority list from 2010 provided by the CAL MEC for the integration, the pilot at exactly 60% was an August 5th 1998 hire. That pilot ended up at 60.2% on the final seniority list. A drop of only .2%.
The 75% pilot at CAL pre-merger was an August 9th 2005 hire. That pilot ended up at 73.1% on the SLI. He improved himself 1.9% relative seniority.
Not sure how you went from 60% to 75%.
According to the seniority list from 2010 provided by the CAL MEC for the integration, the pilot at exactly 60% was an August 5th 1998 hire. That pilot ended up at 60.2% on the final seniority list. A drop of only .2%.
The 75% pilot at CAL pre-merger was an August 9th 2005 hire. That pilot ended up at 73.1% on the SLI. He improved himself 1.9% relative seniority.
Not sure how you went from 60% to 75%.
They use their percentage from the ISL date not the merger announcement date to come up with the 15% number. It sounds far more dramatic that way.
06-20-2020 | 04:39 AM
#125
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I can solve this quickly.
According to the seniority list from 2010 provided by the CAL MEC for the integration, the pilot at exactly 60% was an August 5th 1998 hire. That pilot ended up at 60.2% on the final seniority list. A drop of only .2%.
The 75% pilot at CAL pre-merger was an August 9th 2005 hire. That pilot ended up at 73.1% on the SLI. He improved himself 1.9% relative seniority.
Not sure how you went from 60% to 75%.
According to the seniority list from 2010 provided by the CAL MEC for the integration, the pilot at exactly 60% was an August 5th 1998 hire. That pilot ended up at 60.2% on the final seniority list. A drop of only .2%.
The 75% pilot at CAL pre-merger was an August 9th 2005 hire. That pilot ended up at 73.1% on the SLI. He improved himself 1.9% relative seniority.
Not sure how you went from 60% to 75%.
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06-20-2020 | 07:41 AM
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Exactly, what some of my more dense brethren don’t understand, snapshots always taken at date of merger not some other arbitrary date. Once merger happens decisions are based on merged company not two separate companies .
06-20-2020 | 08:23 AM
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06-21-2020 | 07:49 PM
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06-22-2020 | 05:23 AM
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Exactly. I’m a L-CAL guy and my friends were ****ed with the SLI. They claimed they lost so much seniority. I asked how? They claimed their percentage went down. When they explained it was obvious they were including all the UAL furloughs hired at CAL while waiting on merger integration as being part of the CAL pilot group. When I showed them that only including L-CAL people as was the correct method they ended up the same or slightly better, they weren’t buying it. Could talk until I was blue in the face and they didn’t understand you can’t mix the two. A pilot can’t work for two companies at once and be counted on both lists merging into one. So, yes, the drama comes from their unrealistic understanding of who was on each pre-merger list on the original date.
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