Couldn’t agree with you more. There’s a list of excuses on the other forum, and wait and see is one of them!

 

Do the double furloughees all fall into the middle third?

 

We’ve all seen the same story over and over. Unfortunately, a lot of the FNGs haven’t, so they’ll buy into this clown 🤡 show hook, line and sinker. Sadly, it happens to every generation.

 

Since this is all speculation and none of us know what is in the AIP, it disappoints me that you would already set your vote in stone.

 

That and the “carve out” crowd who are being pay protected for whatever reason and this will pass with no problems. Just imagine taking a lower mpg so some guy junior to you can be paid for a seat he can’t hold. Unreal.

 

Found them:

“You have to see if from the company’s point of view.”
“They’re not concessions if you’re saving jobs.”
“This is an unprecedented crisis.”
“We’re on a changing landscape.”
“Every situation is different.”
“It’s just business.”
“We’re in uncharted territory.”
“Enhanced and plus aren’t concessions if they’re voluntary.”
“What’s your backup plan?”
“Let’s wait and see before we make up our minds.”
“Live to fight another day.”

 

I agree that 'for the most part' junior pilots don't feel like they're owed anything. Whether junior pilots are furlough fodder during bad times is completely in the hands of the company. It is to our own detriment iff we CHOOSE to take ownership of their decisions. Our goal as a union should be (and IS) to make furloughs as painful as possible for the company and attempt to INFLUENCE their decision. Let me ask you this... When you provided input to ALPA regarding your desires for Section 6, did you include any ideas on the furlough section of our contract? The best thing we can do is to negotiate desirable changes to our CBA for future unforeseeable, unprecedented turmoil.

To be fair I'll acknowledge that there are occasions when complying with our contract causes sufficient 'pain' to the company that they wish to negotiate. When this happens we should CONSIDER 'cashing in' on those contractual issues. I say consider because cashing in may actually be counter productive and decided based on emotion. I will carefully consider any TA, but I will not start from a 'neutral' position. I will start from the jaded, experienced, pragmatic 'No' position and be open to the possibility that it's acceptable. If I decide not to support this potential TA it doesn't mean I lack empathy or understanding about the impact on furloughed pilots.

As far as our current rumor status I'll say this. My experience says that the rumors accurately give a broad outline of the agreement, but are incomplete and biased. We should use the information available to consider and test our own opinions and positions, while remembering that it's just a head start. There's no sense in reaching conclusions or arguing 'what if's' at this point, but it IS worth considering whether the rumored AIP is too divisive, too imbalanced, poorly conceived, etc.. Big picture stuff.

Good luck to all of us.

 

Some do. Some are in the bottom third.

 

The fact that we have potential furloughee pilots on here thinking that it's the non furlough pilots who hold their fate already goes to show that we have lost and management has won.
The second this was floated to TI by SK, he should have hung up the phone.
The fact that some think they are owed something by those who came before them is nuts.
Or that "50% pay is better than 0% pay".. you just became a migrant worker with that attitude.

We still have an (expired) Contract.
Company should have done a legit Early Retirement program back in June.
That there would have saved them half this problem.
And how about utilizing 20-Q-8
There were numerous times & places where a solution could have been found...

Now we are in this mess.

Oh-
For the Record since it seems almost EVERYONE has forgotten-
253 days since our last Pay Raise.
588 days since the UPA became amendable
6939 Days since that terrible day~

Focus people
Motch

 

Crickets from all the guys that will be cashing in someone else’s chips.