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#501
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 66
Really bro? Is that the hill you are dying on right now? It’s not a socialist scheme as you call it. You get to vote on it and it will pass or fail on its merits.
Have a little empathy toward others. Look at it on the aggregate and not just “my money, my money, my money”.
This seems to be a heck of a good deal for both the company and the pilot group. The company saves quite a bit on training costs right now, saves furlough pay in the short term and doesn’t shrink the airline so much they can still show a viable business model to potential investors. They shrink 30 percent right off the bat they can not make enough in the future to pay their debt payments and that’s just plain old math right there.
The pilot group is helped out as potentially no layoffs immediately. The ones saved this year get 9 more months of pay, yes at reduced amounts and the remaining guys get to keep their seat and pay rate and all they do is give up a little on pay. Oh no I’m no longer making 350K this year I’ll have to survive on 230K how will we do it?!?? You make multiplies of the average American household right now, after a little cut you will still make multiplies of American household income.
Throw in the fact you just helped save a potential 2K pilots with average of 3 people depending on them, or 8K total people from being thrown into financial hardship, you can go to sleep on your 6K dollar temperpedic bed with a full heart. Smile you will be alright....
BTW survivor of furlough in the past, I have the empathy and sympathy for all those potentially affected by these uncertain times.
Have a little empathy toward others. Look at it on the aggregate and not just “my money, my money, my money”.
This seems to be a heck of a good deal for both the company and the pilot group. The company saves quite a bit on training costs right now, saves furlough pay in the short term and doesn’t shrink the airline so much they can still show a viable business model to potential investors. They shrink 30 percent right off the bat they can not make enough in the future to pay their debt payments and that’s just plain old math right there.
The pilot group is helped out as potentially no layoffs immediately. The ones saved this year get 9 more months of pay, yes at reduced amounts and the remaining guys get to keep their seat and pay rate and all they do is give up a little on pay. Oh no I’m no longer making 350K this year I’ll have to survive on 230K how will we do it?!?? You make multiplies of the average American household right now, after a little cut you will still make multiplies of American household income.
Throw in the fact you just helped save a potential 2K pilots with average of 3 people depending on them, or 8K total people from being thrown into financial hardship, you can go to sleep on your 6K dollar temperpedic bed with a full heart. Smile you will be alright....
BTW survivor of furlough in the past, I have the empathy and sympathy for all those potentially affected by these uncertain times.
Btw, my mattress is a Sealy...about $800 dollars and 5 years old.
#502
I can tell you from experience.....by that point (next July, with no recovery in sight) you will be nothing more than fly$hit on the map, looooong forgotten by most. That’s why it’s so important that the effort be made NOW to at least TRY to keep you around......so it doesn’t come to that.
#503
look at a Casper (Costco). Puffy is what we have. Love it!
#504
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 14
It is because factual based reasoning & logic is a thing of the past. You no longer have to agree with the end result and may adjust whatever is needed to satisfy you. I believe it was addressed in another post but I am glad to see if is alive and well within the ranks
revisionist history comes next and those who spent a lifetime to uphold the contract at a detriment far superior to what many will ever know will not be held in high regard but contempt for not giving up their seniority for the newly minted
revisionist history comes next and those who spent a lifetime to uphold the contract at a detriment far superior to what many will ever know will not be held in high regard but contempt for not giving up their seniority for the newly minted
#505
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 343
"we must learn from our mistakes by doing the exact same thing that we always do"
#510
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,219
According to the Q&A videos the purpose of this TA is to buy some time rather than start screaming down the furlough path in less than a month. If demand is at current levels entering next summer, they fully expect the company back out of this deal and furlough the full 3,900 and then see where we stand. If this passes, we may very well be just kicking the can down the road for 8 months with low MPG lines. It also may buy us some time and hopefully give us a more accurate data to avoid or significantly reduce furloughs, and to enhance recovery options. If it does not pass, they have come to the fork in the road and will commit to the furlough plan.
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