United diversity.......
06-05-2021 | 04:11 AM
#751
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by detpilot;[url=tel:3245723
3245723[/url]]Except that we do hire the most qualified, yet minorities like myself have been the brunt of "diversity hire" comments, both in civilian and military circles. Someone even implied that somehow I was "given" DG in an AF program (talk about seeing red!) for to diversity quotas. I'm truly glad you've never experienced this.
Sent from my SM-N975F using Tapatalk
Sent from my SM-N975F using Tapatalk
btw, my wife and kids are minorities so this is an important topic to me.
06-05-2021 | 04:19 AM
#752
Line Holder
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
From: VVIP 767
That’s what these people do, they cancel you. Whether it’s banning you from Facebook or advocating you don’t be hired. These people preach and beat off to diversity yet can’t stand an opposing non woke opinion. They are hypocrites and utilize the same tactics as Marxists. Let’s be honest, United doesn’t care about diversity (they care about $$), they are just too scared about not being woke enough.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
06-05-2021 | 05:53 PM
#753
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 963
Likes: 0
This looks like a normal business, but bolsheviks are using it for cover. The pilot must always examine his surroundings for anything that is out of place, because his enemy is skilled and determined. Take this HR department for example. Its flexible standards offer superior concealment to the production and service centers of the business. Luckily First Officer Robertson is an adept and observant employee. There he is, FO Robertson. Get him! CRACK!!! Another day is saved by vigilant employees like you.
06-13-2021 | 05:25 AM
#754
Banned
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,291
Likes: 0
I'd be willing to gamble the deed to my condo that more bent metal or other serious accidents have been caused by unqualified WHITE MALES since the beginning of aviation than any other demographic. I could be wrong, but doubt it. *TONGUE IN CHEEK*
Now, were all these white male pilots really unqualified? Most certainly not. Are all accidents a chain of events that if broken would never have happened? Absolutely. We have gone from the hardware being the cause of most accidents to human factors being the #1 driver of incidents/accidents.
Historically there have been mostly white males as pilots. Why? Women and minorities were not given access to the same opportunities as white men. Not allowed to fly in the military or even serve at times. Not to mention the other barriers to entering this field that are socio-economic in nature. That is changing and United is a corporation advancing with the times. They are also legally responsible for the decisions that put pilots in the flight decks of hundred million dollar plus airplanes carrying hundreds of customers. The FAA and insurers have a say as well.
The unqualified argument is a load of **** and insulting to every person hired here who some don't view as fitting the traditional mold or saying this is different than how it's been for many years. Yes, you can read into that how that argument is being used in other segments of life, especially now.
Now, were all these white male pilots really unqualified? Most certainly not. Are all accidents a chain of events that if broken would never have happened? Absolutely. We have gone from the hardware being the cause of most accidents to human factors being the #1 driver of incidents/accidents.
Historically there have been mostly white males as pilots. Why? Women and minorities were not given access to the same opportunities as white men. Not allowed to fly in the military or even serve at times. Not to mention the other barriers to entering this field that are socio-economic in nature. That is changing and United is a corporation advancing with the times. They are also legally responsible for the decisions that put pilots in the flight decks of hundred million dollar plus airplanes carrying hundreds of customers. The FAA and insurers have a say as well.
The unqualified argument is a load of **** and insulting to every person hired here who some don't view as fitting the traditional mold or saying this is different than how it's been for many years. Yes, you can read into that how that argument is being used in other segments of life, especially now.
06-14-2021 | 11:37 AM
#755
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 149
Likes: 0
From: B777 CA
My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.
Lowering hiring minimums is akin to devaluing experience. Experience is the best teacher and therefore should not be marganilized or minimized, in partcular by HR who are setting minority quotas. We can call it "diversity" or whatever the buzz word of the day is. I call it "devaluing experience." The devaluing of experience will have an impact on safety. Maybe not today, but when you want to lean on and pull from that experience, it won't be there.
The other day, I went to look up something in my IPAD about windshear takeoffs as some foul WX aproached our runway for take off.. My IPAD froze on me. I had to lean on my experience. Sometimes our Ipads just don't work. I think you get my drift.
06-14-2021 | 11:43 AM
#756
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 149
Likes: 0
From: B777 CA
I wonder what the percentage is world-wide for pilots of genetic Swiss descent? Wouldn't they qualify as "diversity candidates?"
We could all look into our genetics, our past family tree to see where we descended from. I guess only women and people with brown skin color qualify as minorities. What a myopic view.
We could all look into our genetics, our past family tree to see where we descended from. I guess only women and people with brown skin color qualify as minorities. What a myopic view.
06-14-2021 | 12:10 PM
#757
Moderator
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
From: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Let me ask you this.. what do you check if you're half white, half Mexican? This has been the great riddle of my life...
06-14-2021 | 12:21 PM
#758
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,033
Likes: 18
That's a great point. That's no good. But, you and I know it's far worse than that. I can point to at least 7 people hired here that would have only had the flight time/qualificaitons to get on at a regional, at the time/date they were hired. However, due to their influence and connections, their lack of experience was overlooked or set a side.
My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.
I think you get my drift.
My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.
I think you get my drift.
world. Continental had a 777 blow all the tires in PEK for this very reason but nothing changed then and nothing is different now.
06-14-2021 | 02:08 PM
#759
Banned
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,291
Likes: 0
That's a great point. That's no good. But, you and I know it's far worse than that. I can point to at least 7 people hired here that would have only had the flight time/qualificaitons to get on at a regional, at the time/date they were hired. However, due to their influence and connections, their lack of experience was overlooked or set a side.
My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.
Lowering hiring minimums is akin to devaluing experience. Experience is the best teacher and therefore should not be marganilized or minimized, in partcular by HR who are setting minority quotas. We can call it "diversity" or whatever the buzz word of the day is. I call it "devaluing experience." The devaluing of experience will have an impact on safety. Maybe not today, but when you want to lean on and pull from that experience, it won't be there.
The other day, I went to look up something in my IPAD about windshear takeoffs as some foul WX aproached our runway for take off.. My IPAD froze on me. I had to lean on my experience. Sometimes our Ipads just don't work. I think you get my drift.
My major point is this: I believe experience is a valuable teacher. One that cannot be immulated or short-cut. Experience, adn that building block aproach builds judgment. Someday when you upgrade, you lean on that judgement and pull from your past experiences. I would disagree with any process that short-cuts the building of, and the value of experience.
Lowering hiring minimums is akin to devaluing experience. Experience is the best teacher and therefore should not be marganilized or minimized, in partcular by HR who are setting minority quotas. We can call it "diversity" or whatever the buzz word of the day is. I call it "devaluing experience." The devaluing of experience will have an impact on safety. Maybe not today, but when you want to lean on and pull from that experience, it won't be there.
The other day, I went to look up something in my IPAD about windshear takeoffs as some foul WX aproached our runway for take off.. My IPAD froze on me. I had to lean on my experience. Sometimes our Ipads just don't work. I think you get my drift.
you wait . Easy
06-14-2021 | 03:26 PM
#760
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 149
Likes: 0
From: B777 CA
It had been a long time. I wanted to look up the V speed additive process. I had ram-dumped everything I knew off the Airbus and recently changed fleets. Two planes in my head. Thought the book would be a good thing to reference. When you go Boeing to Airbus and back to Boeing in 7 months you might forget some details, or inadvertently mix it up. Why do you ask?
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
