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Old 08-04-2023 | 05:51 AM
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Never gonna vote democrat. They’ve, seemingly, actively engaged in an economic warfare campaign against the American people the last few years.

I’d take age 70 over more democrats ruining the economy.
Old 08-04-2023 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Spartacusbob
Never gonna vote democrat. They’ve, seemingly, actively engaged in an economic warfare campaign against the American people the last few years.

I’d take age 70 over more democrats ruining the economy.
I could maybe get on board with that if there were any fiscal conservatism left in the Republican Party, but the last decade has simply seen wanton spending across the political spectrum. Ds want to take your $ and give it to the poor, Rs want to give it to the rich. If that feels like a bad deal, you’re not wrong; although unless you’re an outlier among airline pilots, I can assure you you’re a lot closer to poor than rich.

I don’t blame Rs for the massive spending that took place through COVID, since Ds would have done the same thing. But after those unprecedented deficits & a global economic shutdown, anyone who thinks the economy just magically tanked in 2021 the minute a democratic president w/ a razor-thin senate majority took office is living in a very controlled bubble.
Old 08-04-2023 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Age 67 would be much harder to sell if it was a stand alone proposal, however it was simply inserted into a larger bill. To most politicians the issue is nothing but additional pork that they’ll ignore while focusing on the parts of the bill that serve their interest. It’s likely going to pass and we can’t do much about that.

So how does the union respond? If other regulatory authorities don’t immediately match us, do we pass a LOA that allows the company to drop trips without pay for pilots who are no longer legal to fly the trip? Considering that all fleets fly international to some degree, the impact on staffing could be a real mess.
I disagree. There are a ton of pilot shortage news stories out there that are saying it's one of the causes for air transportation problems. And from various reads and comments I've read, the general public is strongly in favor of increasing pilot retirement age.
It's pretty much a no-brainer for politicians. I'm even expecting Sen Duckworth's (D-IL) act that she'll attach to the FAA Reauthorization Act to include the change to age 67. Ds are in favor of an age increase; they just have to placate their ALPA donors at the moment.
Old 08-04-2023 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I disagree. There are a ton of pilot shortage news stories out there that are saying it's one of the causes for air transportation problems. And from various reads and comments I've read, the general public is strongly in favor of increasing pilot retirement age.
It's pretty much a no-brainer for politicians. I'm even expecting Sen Duckworth's (D-IL) act that she'll attach to the FAA Reauthorization Act to include the change to age 67. Ds are in favor of an age increase; they just have to placate their ALPA donors at the moment.

Placate their ALPA donors... that's a good one, Andy. The ALPA PAC are the guys that bring a knife to a gunfight.
Old 08-04-2023 | 07:25 AM
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Placate their ALPA donors... that's a good one, Andy. The ALPA PAC are the guys that bring a knife to a gunfight.
ALPA's knife is firmly planted in the backs of those that have been finding them for decades. They are completely unarmed.
Old 08-04-2023 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Placate their ALPA donors... that's a good one, Andy. The ALPA PAC are the guys that bring a knife to a gunfight.
No argument from me.
When one considers that AARP is in favor of raising the retirement age, it's an even more lopsided cage match.
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Originally Posted by Andy
No argument from me.
When one considers that AARP is in favor of raising the retirement age, it's an even more lopsided cage match.

Yeah, there's no doubt this will pass with bipartisan support. Of course to no actual benefit to their constituency, but it does give the pols the ability to say we tried, while the airlines and their employees suck up the financial mess that ensues.
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Considering that most agree that this is going to pass, how does ALPA and the company deal with the scheduling problems that it creates if the rest of the world doesn’t immediately follow? Do we pass a LOA saying that pilots are to be removed from a pairing without pay if they can’t legally fly it?
Old 08-04-2023 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Considering that most agree that this is going to pass, how does ALPA and the company deal with the scheduling problems that it creates if the rest of the world doesn’t immediately follow? Do we pass a LOA saying that pilots are to be removed from a pairing without pay if they can’t legally fly it?
1) It's unlikely that ICAO doesn't immediately raise retirement age, especially since IATA has already been lobbying ICAO to do so. From what I've seen, ICAO's been planning to raise the age since at least 2019; they just need an impetus to do so. I'd say the US raising retirement age is the exact event that will make ti so.
2) Why would we pass an LOA?
Old 08-04-2023 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
1) It's unlikely that ICAO doesn't immediately raise retirement age, especially since IATA has already been lobbying ICAO to do so. From what I've seen, ICAO's been planning to raise the age since at least 2019; they just need an impetus to do so. I'd say the US raising retirement age is the exact event that will make ti so.
2) Why would we pass an LOA?
I’d agree that ICAO quickly follows and the issue is just academic. I questioned the issue of a LOA because we don’t know the language in the next contract. If the company has language to deny people from bidding or picking up trips that they can’t fly then it doesn’t matter.
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