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07-16-2023 | 09:03 AM

#121

TFAYD

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Originally Posted by Swakid8

‘Still not seeing where you are getting forced from. The way I understand it is if any CA vacancies go unfilled, then they can be offer to NH to bid for it. But not forced….

what happens if the drop includes just enough FO and CA bids for the class size?

then someone might be forced to take CA just as plenty of folks were forced into WB FO

07-16-2023 | 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher

where are you getting a year from? Those with 350 hrs in type at UA and meet 121 requirements will be able to upgrade while on probation.

well they can’t start upgrade training until off probation. So that is about a year.

07-16-2023 | 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace66

After a quick look, it doesn't seem as good as Delta's. Correct me if I'm wrong:

pay rates: same (Delta will snap up and we'll match)
reserve: Delta (no qualifiers on 18 hour call out and no Global)
401k: same
profit sharing: same
sick leave: Delta
re-assignments: ?
retro: same?
commute: Delta-ish (they can book JS, but we get one option IF we buy a ticket)

Does anyone see any category where United out-did Delta? I hope the P2P's will put together a comparison document.

Not a dig at the union, this is totally on United management, but this AIP should have been the company's offer the day after Delta's AIP went public. With all the wrangling go on for the last 4 months, I thought we were going to get a BETTER contract than Delta. There should be a painful retro add-on from Delta's DOS to our DOS.

United has more wide body pilots than Delta. So, correct me if I’m wrong, but in the aggregate, although the rates are the same, more United pilots will make more money since there will be more opportunities to fly aircraft in higher pay bands.

07-16-2023 | 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Swakid8

‘I seriously do not think it will show up in drops…. But I am willing to buy you a beer if the language allows that to happen.

The company wanted that language in there for a reason. Something beyond just attracting SWA and AA pilots. Here's to hoping it won't show up in future new hire drops.

07-16-2023 | 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by worstpilotever

well they can’t start upgrade training until off probation. So that is about a year.

that’s not how the bullet point read:

it says 500 hrs at UA and off probation

OR

350 hrs in type at UA

so if you meet the second part .. off probation is no longer a requirement

07-16-2023 | 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher

that’s not how the bullet point read:

it says 500 hrs at UA and off probation

OR

350 hrs in type at UA

so if you meet the second part .. off probation is no longer a requirement

also mentioned consolidation lines, I guess if OE hits 100 hours for a new hire it doesn’t matter too much but they’d get to 350 faster than the norm

07-16-2023 | 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher

that’s not how the bullet point read:

it says 500 hrs at UA and off probation

OR

350 hrs in type at UA

so if you meet the second part .. off probation is no longer a requirement

perhaps. will have to see how it worded in the TA.

07-16-2023 | 10:49 AM

#128

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Originally Posted by FrancisSawyer

This isn’t wrong, but it’s a one-dimensional perspective on a multi-dimensional formula

Delta pilots can earn more than United pilots for a number of other reasons, one of which all their premium is 100%. United’s is 50%, 75%, or 100%, and a lot of pilots are gobbling up 50% as soon as it’s offered. This isn’t changing in this AIP.