Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't that be what the 5:15 (currently 5:00) for?

I've had several of those trips where you have a 4 day trip, with one day of zero flying or maybe a leg for 00:50 or something. Wouldn't the new contract require that trip to be paid out at 21:00? Where would the 2:30 come into play?

I say this because as a junior guy, I've had quite a few trips where there is extreme front or back end loading with a giant gap of sitting around in between.

 

What are we thinking timeline wise? 3 months to sign and then another month for retro checks? Trying to tell my Ferrari dealer when I can take delivery should this pass

 

I could be wrong but this is my understanding:

I have a 3 day trip coming up which has a 31 hour layover. The trip has 13:30 of block. Right now the trip is paying 15 hours. With the 5:15 it would pay 15:45. With the 2:30 minimum for that dead day added to the block it would bump that up to 16 hours

 

Your wordsmith and ability to invent adjectives never fails to entertain. Please don’t ever leave.

 

This will pass in the high 80s… hopefully they get the TA written and out soon so it can start in September… work rules alone will benefit most if not all pilots.

 

yea I’m holding out judgement till we get the final document. What are the gives? Do FO/IRO have to fight for the landings still?

One thing I didn’t see in there is the ability for reserves to pick up premium pay trips on their days off and get those days off restored later in the month like you guys have a Delta. The whole “rolling thunder” thing.

Although the dedicated long call line with no Short call or field standby looks pretty nice!

 

yeah… I think status quo for landings and seat/trip scheduling. I did not see any opportunity for reserves to aggressively pickup premium trips… they can pick up premium SC/FSBs but not flying assignments.

 

This is off topic, but it’s been grinding my gears to hear commuting is choice. Every time I hear that, BAM, instant a-hole in my opinion.

You don’t know me or my situation. If you’re looking down on me because I don’t live 30 minutes from EWR or SFO, then you can enjoy the overnight on your own.

For many people it’s not a choice, so you can shove a marshallers wand up your b-hole.

 

First off, yes I’m gonna say it. Pay only exceeds inflation if you include our LOA 5%, which means we’re eating that raise. If we hadn’t signed that LOA, we absolutely would be getting 20% DOS to match DAL instead of roughly 15%. They said they wouldn’t do that & they did. There are a lot of places to lay blame for that- including upon ourselves for making that lousy deal in the first place. In the future, I hope we’ll take a savvier approach to “scratching the company’s back first”. We stick to the contract, & don’t trust them to follow the intent of a hastily thrown together side deal.

Having said that, my initial impression is mostly positive. Whether you are a yes or a no, there’s no way you could argue this doesn’t objectively blow TUMI out of the water- even considering what we lost to time- and the glaring giveback of the namesake TUMI bag. I hope we all take the lesson that renegotiating a bad deal absolutely can be worth the time it costs.

I think the RSV section particularly (as I’m reading it) is very well designed. Lots of choice between QOL/pay, & a decent add pay structure to sell undesirable assignments rather than force them. At 84 hours plus additional add pay opportunities, VEC looks like a pretty good deal for in-base RSVs. (The mid-block sick call provision for RSVs is the one item I saw in the entire contract that seems “concessionary”- don’t believe we have that presently.) 3 hr FSB will go senior among in-base guys. Once people start to understand the ways to make $$$ on RSV, I think it will go not senior per se, but higher up the bidding ladder than it is presently.

Bridge to LTD is huge, & we’ve been demanding DAL profit sharing for ages.

New trip construction limits are generally good. I like the 2.5 day off & limits on ANF. I’m particularly curious to know more about the “RSV pool management” intended to improve lineholder trades/drops. Could be huge if effective, but the bullet points lack details.

12 months pos space will definitely help w/ upgrades, though I’m not thrilled about the street captain idea. UAL should be focused on tapping into their their resource of experienced pilots- not just getting butts in seats. (Yes, I understand some new hires are bringing a lot of great experience w/ them, but in today’s hiring environment, fewer than in times past.)

As has already been touched on, final language will be hugely important, so give them time to get it right, & make your decisions on the final product- not the billboard. (Though I’ll get in on the betting at 87% in favor- human behavior & all...)

 

would it pay 13:30 + 2:30 = 16:00

or. 15:45 + 2:30 = 18:15

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what would it pay if block was only 10 hours for example ?