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Old 04-16-2025 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
4% of "domestic capacity" not the entire airline. Also most of this is coming from off-peak, lower demand days, so there will still be a need to keep hiring. United is adding international since we are adding 787s without retiring any widebody planes. 7 more 787s still to be delivered by the end of 2025 on top of the 6 we have already received since November.

We will still have to hire/train to replace retirements. I understand you are trying to "bistromath" this, but we will almost certainly be hiring/training after the summer because of training backfills from retirements.
Those delivery planes were already in the forecast before the 4% capacity cut.
Bet you a beer or two we stop hiring very soon until there's some type of stability in this crazy economy.
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Old 04-16-2025 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
Those delivery planes were already in the forecast before the 4% capacity cut.
Bet you a beer or two we stop hiring very soon until there's some type of stability in this crazy economy.
I don't think you listen to what Kirby's been saying for years. He wants to continue hiring exactly because the economy is crazy and he expects competition to shrink or pull back, allowing us to expand past them.

You may be right, but hopefully you aren't, because I think it'd be nice for everyone here if we kept hiring.
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Old 04-16-2025 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by khergan
I don't think you listen to what Kirby's been saying for years. He wants to continue hiring exactly because the economy is crazy and he expects competition to shrink or pull back, allowing us to expand past them.

You may be right, but hopefully you aren't, because I think it'd be nice for everyone here if we kept hiring.
Kirby is a gambler. He’s banned from every casino in Vegas. His gambles worked during COVID. Let’s hope they work now.

personally, I like the aggressiveness.
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Old 04-16-2025 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
Those delivery planes were already in the forecast before the 4% capacity cut.
Bet you a beer or two we stop hiring very soon until there's some type of stability in this crazy economy.
It was clarified on the call today. Its not "4%". Its 2% of "narrowbody domestic flying" throughout the year. Which is less than 1% of all flying. Certainly even with this they will have to hire to cover retirements and upgrades.

We currently have 1,018 planes and will have 1,048 by the end of the year, including the planes being retired and new deliveries, 7 of which are 787s. I'd be shocked if we weren't hiring pilots in the fall.
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Old 04-16-2025 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
Kirby is a gambler. He’s banned from every casino in Vegas. His gambles worked during COVID. Let’s hope they work now.

personally, I like the aggressiveness.
Casino only ban people that keep winning. I heard SK knows how to count cards and that’s why he was banned. If true, dude is smarter than we give him credit for. I also like this aggressiveness!
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Old 04-17-2025 | 12:44 PM
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Well to be very very clear (from Airline MBA 101), when Airline Management types talk about cutting 4%……..its ASM’s!!

Jeez people, lets hope Kirby doesn’t see this, he’ll think we’re a bunch of dummies. It’s not airplanes, pilots, gate agents, super tugs, lighter choice beef crew meals, etc..Soo, you could cut 2 777-300’s with 350 pax a day each going from EWR-DXB for a 15 hour 6000 mile jaunt and that could be a 1% cut to UAL’s ASM’s..(just an example)..thats only 4 pilots but a whole ******load of ASM’s..
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Old 04-17-2025 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by coast in
Well to be very very clear (from Airline MBA 101), when Airline Management types talk about cutting 4%……..its ASM’s!!

Jeez people, lets hope Kirby doesn’t see this, he’ll think we’re a bunch of dummies. It’s not airplanes, pilots, gate agents, super tugs, lighter choice beef crew meals, etc..Soo, you could cut 2 777-300’s with 350 pax a day each going from EWR-DXB for a 15 hour 6000 mile jaunt and that could be a 1% cut to UAL’s ASM’s..(just an example)..thats only 4 pilots but a whole ******load of ASM’s..
don’t let facts get in the way
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Old 04-17-2025 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by coast in
Well to be very very clear (from Airline MBA 101), when Airline Management types talk about cutting 4%……..its ASM’s!!

Jeez people, lets hope Kirby doesn’t see this, he’ll think we’re a bunch of dummies. It’s not airplanes, pilots, gate agents, super tugs, lighter choice beef crew meals, etc..Soo, you could cut 2 777-300’s with 350 pax a day each going from EWR-DXB for a 15 hour 6000 mile jaunt and that could be a 1% cut to UAL’s ASM’s..(just an example)..thats only 4 pilots but a whole ******load of ASM’s..
Yup, this right here…
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Old 04-17-2025 | 03:41 PM
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Two words… get yourhouseinorder.
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Old 04-17-2025 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
Those delivery planes were already in the forecast before the 4% capacity cut.
Bet you a beer or two we stop hiring very soon until there's some type of stability in this crazy economy.
There is no "4% capacity cut". They said on the earnings call that 2% of "domestic narrowbody flying" will be removed. It won't even be noticeable. Also this doesn't include the fact that we are adding Saigon and Bangkok plus whatever new 787 routes we add between now and the fall.

On that note, another new 787 was delivered today. 6 more coming before the end of the year.

The machine is going to keep chugging along.
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