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Old 10-03-2025 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing
Your description is misleading at best. Then again, the truth these days is just an impediment to the desired result.
Not my reps so not my problem but unfortunately at the three airlines I’ve had to interact with them, ALPA happily withholds transparency and the truth for benefit of propping up its own image and hiding its disfunction. This case is no different.

If the reps just had their resignation letters posted in a weekly ALPA approved comms it would have been the subject of mild intrigue to those who cared enough to pay attention.

A single resignation letter is normal, two at the same time is eyebrow raising. Whoever decided to make a dual resignation video for those reps in the immediate wake of a recall vote for some damning charges really made them look guilty of something. Overall below average head work on their part for participating in that video. Whatever their intent or the truth was it makes them look terrible.

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Old 10-03-2025 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Not my reps so not my problem but unfortunately at the three airlines I’ve had to interact with them, ALPA happily withholds transparency and the truth for benefit of its own image and hiding its disfunction. This case is no different.
Not your reps, not your problem yet you’ll post on something you know nothing about and continue the smear.

Looking for the truth? Call your rep and hope they’re willing to provide a factual account.
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Old 10-03-2025 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing
Not your reps, not your problem yet you’ll post on something you know nothing about and continue the smear.

Looking for the truth? Call your rep and hope they’re willing to provide a factual account.
An ALPA rep was subject to a recall vote for the accusation of violating the ALPA code of ethics. They garnered enough support and survived recall and almost immediately published a dual resignation video with another rep which made them look guilty of the previously mentioned charges. These folks have been active participants in damaging their own reputation.
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Old 10-03-2025 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
An ALPA rep was subject to a recall vote for the accusation of violating the ALPA code of ethics. They garnered enough support and survived recall and almost immediately published a dual resignation video with another rep which made them look guilty of the previously mentioned charges. These folks have been active participants in damaging their own reputation.
Publishing a resignation video assigning personal and professional reasons makes you look guilty? Your ability to comprehend the actual message in this video is woefully lacking.
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Old 10-03-2025 | 12:37 PM
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Publishing a resignation video assigning personal and professional reasons makes you look guilty? Your ability to comprehend the actual message in this video is woefully lacking.
In this case yes.
There have been some very public, ALPA emails that have been distributed before their resignation video was published.

A couple months ago the new Council Chairman sends an email basically stating the Vice Chairman and SecTres are intentionally scheduling council meeting a time they know he can’t attend violating ALPA rules in order to undermine his position. Later that month the Vice Chairman is brought up on recall charges by a pilot who he was supposed to represent during a disciplinary meeting but picked up a premium trip instead. That victim of the alleged ALPA ethics violation publishes a letter outlining the event. The Vice Chairman survives his recall vote thanks to ALPA procedural maneuvering changing the recall to a vote of confidence which because it’s a topic change excludes the ability of the proxy votes to count and then in short order both the Vice Chairman and SecTres publish a joint resignation video. In the totality of the public emails preceding it, the joint resignation video sends the message of “we are guilty of things and our options were resign or suffer the consequences”.

If these resignations were by choice, whatever their intent was, the two reps didn’t account for the the timing of their video on the heels of multiple allegations of impropriety in the months immediately before its release. Bad headwork on their part. It’s really unfortunate because it makes them and the rest of UALPA look AFU. Not FedEx ALPA conspiring with management in a campaign to enact reprisals against “no” voters to their TA level AFU but AFU non the less.
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Old 10-03-2025 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
In this case yes.
There have been some very public, ALPA emails that have been distributed before their resignation video was published.

A couple months ago the new Council Chairman sends an email basically stating the Vice Chairman and SecTres are intentionally scheduling council meeting a time they know he can’t attend violating ALPA rules in order to undermine his position. Later that month the Vice Chairman is brought up on recall charges by a pilot who he was supposed to represent during a disciplinary meeting but picked up a premium trip instead. That victim of the alleged ALPA ethics violation publishes a letter outlining the event. The Vice Chairman survives his recall vote thanks to ALPA procedural maneuvering changing the recall to a vote of confidence which because it’s a topic change excludes the ability of the proxy votes to count and then in short order both the Vice Chairman and SecTres publish a joint resignation video. In the totality of the public emails preceding it, the joint resignation video sends the message of “we are guilty of things and our options were resign or suffer the consequences”.

If these resignations were by choice, whatever their intent was, the two reps didn’t account for the the timing of their video on the heels of multiple allegations of impropriety in the months immediately before its release. Bad headwork on their part. It’s really unfortunate because it makes them and the rest of UALPA look AFU. Not FedEx ALPA conspiring with management in a campaign to enact reprisals against “no” voters to their TA level AFU but AFU non the less.
So you’re not based in DC. You didn’t attend the LEC meeting to hear the refutation of all charges except for one which responsibility was accepted and honest mistake admitted. A mistake when considering the representational chain of events was essentially a non event. You’re unaware of the personal issues at hand.

But you’re more than willing to espouse slanderous opinions. The motive is becoming clear.
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Old 10-03-2025 | 02:06 PM
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A NH is asking about culture, and this is the best show of “welcome to UA” you can give? Sir, this is a Wendys….
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Old 10-03-2025 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing
So you’re not based in DC. You didn’t attend the LEC meeting to hear the refutation of all charges except for one which responsibility was accepted and honest mistake admitted. A mistake when considering the representational chain of events was essentially a non event. You’re unaware of the personal issues at hand.

But you’re more than willing to espouse slanderous opinions. The motive is becoming clear.
I used published written and video communications to form an opinion on their video. As I understand it, ALPA vetts communications to prevent false statements being sent out as fact. If anyone spent a quarter of the effort you have here on counseling them that whatever “truth” or “actual message” (your words) they were trying to send in the production of their video might get lost in the production style of the video and optics of the previously published communications people all over UALPA wouldn’t be asking wtf is going on with C11 and this thread drift wouldn’t have happened after the fact​​​​​​. They’re no longer reps. That ended when the clock struck midnight according to their video.
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Old 10-03-2025 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DiscoStu
A NH is asking about culture, and this is the best show of “welcome to UA” you can give? Sir, this is a Wendys….
UALPA has some issues, like ALPA does everywhere. Post Tumi TA, UAL pilots have not had qualms about initiating recall procedures when they feel that their reps have strayed too far from their will. It’s a messy process but speaks to a strong culture of holding union leadership accountable, which is huge plus.
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Old 10-03-2025 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
I used published written and video communications to form an opinion on their video. As I understand it, ALPA vetts communications to prevent false statements being sent out as fact. If anyone spent a quarter of the effort you have here on counseling them that whatever “truth” or “actual message” (your words) they were trying to send in the production of their video might get lost in the production style of the video and optics of the previously published communications people all over UALPA wouldn’t be asking wtf is going on with C11 and this thread drift wouldn’t have happened after the fact​​​​​​. They’re no longer reps. That ended when the clock struck midnight according to their video.
Great, so you did your own research and you’re a film critic.

The recall resolution definitely included factual inaccuracies. You can opine all you want on that.

The charges against the FO Rep were refuted. He accepted responsibility for his mistake. A mistake that many of us have and will make in the future. A mistake that was shown not to be consequential.

Regarding the resignations, I think their discretion exemplifies the way they conducted their ALPA business when in office and is a credit to their character.


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