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Old 11-06-2025 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JackTheTipper
So I’m going to be stuck on the bottom and my buddies left to be furloughed next year when F9 finally goes bankrupt. Awesome.
You're either the reincarnation of Pipeman or Lnavvnavpth. Please just go away. Such an obvious troll.
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Old 11-06-2025 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by St Exupery
This makes the most sense to me as well. Kirby has said previously that they have “a lot of off ramps” with the large order book. I’ve taken that to mean they can retire the old and less efficient Airbus and 737 NGs as well as the 756 fleet whenever it makes sense. When I saw the orders years ago, it seemed too ambitious, but the plan seems to be fill up the order book so the competitors can’t get new planes for a long time. Use the new airplanes for growth until the economy tanks, then retire the old fleets and the hope the efficiency of the new airplanes will cover some losses during the downturn. The questions is, what do you do with all the pilots on the seniority list?
My guess would be turn off hiring and let attrition lean us down if worse comes to worse. They did it in 2024 for close to 6 months. With a big cash buffer we can let attrition bring us down to healthy and avoid furloughs and all the extra headaches that come with that.
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Old 11-06-2025 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by St Exupery
The questions is, what do you do with all the pilots on the seniority list?
“Is that a Question.”- Mark Zuckerberg
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Old 11-06-2025 | 08:29 PM
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As of today the most junior NBCA awarded in this bid will be a 14.3XX number (I'd guessed 15.0XX) which is about an early 2023 hire, probably Jan -Feb 2023. Most junior WBFO will be a 13.2XX number which I'm guessing is a mid 2022 hire. So, about 3 years to NBCA and 3.5 years to WBFO (if you were lucky enough to be hired in the 2022-23 era).

The folks hired between Oct 2023 and March 2024 (the brief window when CA slots were awarded during indoc) hit such a jackpot. Then again, they will be on bottom reserve for a very very very long time...

As for me, I'm just going to enjoy being (approximately) under 30 pct in BES while waiting for next winter's vacancy...
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Old 11-07-2025 | 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
As of today the most junior NBCA awarded in this bid will be a 14.3XX number (I'd guessed 15.0XX) which is about an early 2023 hire, probably Jan -Feb 2023. Most junior WBFO will be a 13.2XX number which I'm guessing is a mid 2022 hire. So, about 3 years to NBCA and 3.5 years to WBFO (if you were lucky enough to be hired in the 2022-23 era).

The folks hired between Oct 2023 and March 2024 (the brief window when CA slots were awarded during indoc) hit such a jackpot. Then again, they will be on bottom reserve for a very very very long time...

As for me, I'm just going to enjoy being (approximately) under 30 pct in BES while waiting for next winter's vacancy...
Im one of them. Agree with the jackpot sentiment. Also, reserve here is TERRIBLE…… keep spreading the word 🙃😂. Going 4 months on the line from upgrade and still not off high mins 😉
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Old 11-07-2025 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
As for me, I'm just going to enjoy being (approximately) under 30 pct in BES while waiting for next winter's vacancy...
Sir, this is APC. There will be no healthy attitudes or realistic expectations. Get with the program.
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Old 11-07-2025 | 05:20 AM
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Is there any real reason to speculate on hiring projections getting halved or are people just unhappy that there's not as many CA slots as they were expecting?
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Old 11-07-2025 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI
Is there any real reason to speculate on hiring projections getting halved or are people just unhappy that there's not as many CA slots as they were expecting?
the latter.

the company hyped this as a huge bid. It’s not huge
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Old 11-07-2025 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI
Is there any real reason to speculate on hiring projections getting halved or are people just unhappy that there's not as many CA slots as they were expecting?
Is there any real reason to speculate anything? People are bored with nothing to do. Yes, they were hoping for more CA spots. The loudest voices seem to be ex LCC CAs who are grumpy they didn’t jump ship soon enough.
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Old 11-07-2025 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by VacancyBid
the latter.

the company hyped this as a huge bid. It’s not huge
The company advertised a large and significant fall bid. 247 CA and 580 FO vacancies definitely meets that definition. I’d argue that we are the ones who hyped this into being a huge bid. Oh how times have changed now that 3 year upgrades is considered slow.
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