JMD16

1st class 4 Oct. Then 18 Oct, 3 in nov (1. 15, 29?) 2 in Dec, (13, 27?). Pretty sure Nov/Dec dates are correct but could be off a day.

teddyballgame

PMFJI, but I have an acquaintance who is a 2x furloughed UAL pilot, who was hired around the end of 1999 time frame.

I seem to recall him telling me that one's "seniority clock" at UAL didn't actually start until one successfully completed IOE and was released to the line. In my friend's case, this was a difference of several months between the time he started indoc, and the time he finally got on the line.

So, my question is, when a poster here says he or she is a "12/99 hire", does that mean you started indoc in 12/99, or that your seniority, predicated on when you were being released to the line, is as of 12/99?

I'm hoping it's the former, which would mean my friend would be getting a recall letter soon, if he hasn't already.

Thank you.

oneflynfool

Seniority starts on date of hire - first day of indoc. Longevity for pay purposes starts later, based on finishing IOE. A "12/99 hire" started indoc in December 1999.

CHAIRMAN

That will have to change post merger as that is not the case with the CAL pilots. Spent 15 months at UAL before furlough and still did not get off first year pay

iadfo

[QUOTE=teddyballgame;1062970]PMFJI, but I have an acquaintance who is a 2x furloughed UAL pilot, who was hired around the end of 1999 time frame.

I seem to recall him telling me that one's "seniority clock" at UAL didn't actually start until one successfully completed IOE and was released to the line. In my friend's case, this was a difference of several months between the time he started indoc, and the time he finally got on the line.

So, my question is, when a poster here says he or she is a "12/99 hire", does that mean you started indoc in 12/99, or that your seniority, predicated on when you were being released to the line, is as of 12/99?

I'm hoping it's the former, which would mean my friend would be getting a recall letter soon, if he hasn't already.

Thank you.[/QUOTE
A 12/99 hire will call that Their hire date, and that is their seniority date for the list and for space available travel. Longevity for pay purposes only begins after ioe.

Airbow28

I am a 9/99 hire and received an email yesterday with an offer for a Nov 15th class date.

WS01

If you take the CAL job, will you have to do another full year at 1st year pay or just a month or two then 2nd year kicks in?

I'm in the same boat: 6 mo at UA, if/when I go to CAL will I have to do 6mo at 1 year or just 6 months?

Short Bus Drive

I asked this awhile ago, and here is the answer:

"7-B. Job Opportunities.
(i) If either Continental or United intends to hire new Pilots, it will first offer
employment to fill such positions in seniority order to Pilots on furlough from the other Airline. Acceptance or rejection of such an offer or failure to qualify will not affect a Pilot’s recall rights or placement on the Integrated Seniority List (which shall be based upon his seniority position at the Pilot’s originating Airline). A Pilot accepting an offer under this provision will be subject to the normal background and employment requirements of the employing Airline. The Pilot will be an employee of the employing Airline, within the applicable ALPA council for that Airline, but will not be required to serve or complete a probation period. Such Pilot will be paid the greater of (1) the actual hourly pay rate he was receiving on the date of his furlough, or (2) the hourly pay rate to which his years of service at the employing Airline otherwise entitles."

The part that scares me : "... employment requirements of the employing Airline."
CAL never called me for an interview because I didn't meet their "employment requirements", yet I met UAL's.

WS01

what is CAL's employment requirements?

Short Bus Drive

Kinda like Northwest's and Delta's difference, it's about the wording of questions.
"Have you ever...", or
"in the past ten (10) years..."