Thanks JMD.

 

How senior did each base work out? I am holding out/keeping my fingers crossed for an IAH base.

 

Thread drifted to recall, bypass, etc. Conspiratorially speaking, should UCAL make it through the furlough list twice while we're without an integrated seniority list, a JCBA, an SOC, etc. they will then be able to hire off the street while those of us fraternal brothers who do the double bypass are still on the street, yes?

I'm going to need a quadruple bypass before this is all over!!

 

Probably. Then when the SOC and ISL is complete, they will have to furlough to make room for the "senior" pilots to come back (no?)...

 

As far as bypass goes, doesn't matter how many furloughs they go through. Unless you elect to re-enter the process in writing, and after a 30 day wait, you will never be contacted again for a CAL job opportunity under the TPA.

If they make it through the furlough list and no one that bypassed the first offer indicates a desire to re-enter, then CAL can hire off the street all they want until a furloughed pilot changes their intent.

This has nothing to do with furlough mitigation agreement at UAL and is only to do with the CAL jobs under the TPA. When a UAL recall occurs, you will continue to get a call in seniority order until 10 years past your original furlough date.

There is no "twice through the list" regarding the CAL jobs. There is a twice decline provision if you elect to re-enter the process and decline again. Then, you give up all rights to a job at CAL and will not be considered.

Frats,
Lee

 

The agreement and the rules of the voluntary furlough dont allow that. You could be #1 at UAL but you can't come off furlough till they decide to recall.

 

Are you certain about that? I understood it as being a 10 year bypass so that your clock started after you bypass for the first time.

 

The 10 year clock isn't based on bypassing, it's based on your date of furlough. I was furloughed 22 Apr 09; I have until 22 Apr 19 to be recalled.

Here's a copy/paste of Section 7-E (I bolded the important stuff):

A pilot furloughed due to reduction in force who returns to duty
as provided in Paragraph 7-D of this Section shall be allowed,
for seniority purposes, all time accrued prior to such furlough as
well as all time within the period of furlough. All furloughs shall
expire at the end of ten (10) years from the effective date of
such furloughs and any accrued seniority shall be forfeited;
provided, however, that there shall be no change in the relative
seniority position on the System Seniority List as the result of
any furloughs unless the pilot fails to exercise the privilege
provided for in Paragraph 7-D of this Section. Reinstatement
shall be subject to the furloughed pilot's passing a satisfactory
physical examination and to his possessing the airman's
certificate or certificates required for his pilot status at the time
of reinstatement. After reinstatement, pilots shall be required to

serve any unexpired portion of their probationary period.


Note that the current contract does not give longevity for pay or benefits. Delta's furlough section of their contract states:
5. "Longevity" means all time beginning at date of employment as a pilot, and
ending at termination of employment as a pilot, retirement as a pilot, or death.
Exception one: For purposes of vacation, sick leave and pass benefits, the
longevity of a pilot who transferred from another Company department will begin
on his most recent date of employment with the Company.
Exception two: Longevity (including vacation and sick leave) does not include
periods during which a pilot remains on furlough due to his decision to bypass
recall.
Exception three: On October 30, 2008, a former NWA pilot will receive longevity
credit as it existed at Northwest immediately prior to October 30, 2008 in
addition to longevity credit for any periods of furlough that occurred on or
after July 31, 1992 (excluding any
periods of furlough bypass).

 

I am corrected, I misunderstood. Thanks

 

No worries; I didn't want you to be surprised if you delayed returning for quite a while.
And also remember that this section could be revised in the JCBA so it's not something that's written in concrete. ... the union could negotiate away 10 year recall rights for something shorter ... like 5 or 7 years or something similar.