Where are the "official" acceptance numbers?
10-12-2011, 05:40 AM
#131
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,165
Old UCAL CA, you make very good points. I don't know if anyone acted based on their posts. I argued a completely different tack which, fortunately, was legal. I won't go into details.
I've written a lot of incredibly dumb things thinking that I was 'safe'. I will no longer make that assumption.
Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
The term "private bulletin board" is bogus. People write incredibly dumb things thinking they're somehow "hidden" because it's a "private bulletin board."
10-12-2011, 07:44 AM
#132
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Position: Furloughed (again)
Posts: 7
Back to the Numbers...
I'd love to continue talking about how United and ALPA failed the 2172 and how they had to talk and get information amongst themselves. But this thread is about how United and ALPA failed the 1437 and how we are talking and getting information amongst ourselves...
I received some second-hand information on the numbers, but my sources are very good.
The first 350 pilots filled classes into early December with an acceptance rate averaging about 6-to-1. The acceptance rate for the next 250 (which represents this latest round) has gone up to 2.5-to-1. This means that 100 pilots accepted the new hire position. This brings the total acceptance numbers up to about 150 pilots and fills classes into late February 2012. This does not include the pilots who elected to bypass and may be interested in getting back in.
I got no indication either way of another round of letters going out. I hope this helps.
I received some second-hand information on the numbers, but my sources are very good.
The first 350 pilots filled classes into early December with an acceptance rate averaging about 6-to-1. The acceptance rate for the next 250 (which represents this latest round) has gone up to 2.5-to-1. This means that 100 pilots accepted the new hire position. This brings the total acceptance numbers up to about 150 pilots and fills classes into late February 2012. This does not include the pilots who elected to bypass and may be interested in getting back in.
I got no indication either way of another round of letters going out. I hope this helps.
10-12-2011, 07:50 AM
#133
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: Left - Dodge Caravan
Posts: 357
Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
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However, rather than focusing on Andy Chen, you might let the above result send a lesson of what not to do under US labor laws and the RLA. Organized work slowdowns are illegal whether released or not. Only strikes are legal if released. Planned "slowdowns" are illegal anytime.
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However, rather than focusing on Andy Chen, you might let the above result send a lesson of what not to do under US labor laws and the RLA. Organized work slowdowns are illegal whether released or not. Only strikes are legal if released. Planned "slowdowns" are illegal anytime.
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LL; There are PLENTY of opportunities for LEGAL and UNORGANIZED INDIVIDUAL responses to a company that places absolutely no value at all on goodwill toward employees. Remember the CONTRACT WORKS BOTH WAYS...
SP
10-12-2011, 08:18 AM
#134
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,165
Originally Posted by Red Eye
I'd love to continue talking about how United and ALPA failed the 2172 and how they had to talk and get information amongst themselves. But this thread is about how United and ALPA failed the 1437 and how we are talking and getting information amongst ourselves...
I received some second-hand information on the numbers, but my sources are very good.
The first 350 pilots filled classes into early December with an acceptance rate averaging about 6-to-1. The acceptance rate for the next 250 (which represents this latest round) has gone up to 2.5-to-1. This means that 100 pilots accepted the new hire position. This brings the total acceptance numbers up to about 150 pilots and fills classes into late February 2012. This does not include the pilots who elected to bypass and may be interested in getting back in.
I got no indication either way of another round of letters going out. I hope this helps.
I received some second-hand information on the numbers, but my sources are very good.
The first 350 pilots filled classes into early December with an acceptance rate averaging about 6-to-1. The acceptance rate for the next 250 (which represents this latest round) has gone up to 2.5-to-1. This means that 100 pilots accepted the new hire position. This brings the total acceptance numbers up to about 150 pilots and fills classes into late February 2012. This does not include the pilots who elected to bypass and may be interested in getting back in.
I got no indication either way of another round of letters going out. I hope this helps.
Assuming that they send out 200 or more letters in this next batch, I will be in the next group of furloughees receiving letters. I'll post if I get one, and I'll post if I don't get one if someone else receives a recall letter.
Where did you hear that 100 accepted recall in the latest batch? That's a higher rate than I anticipated. And yes, I agree that some previous bypassers will look to be recalled.
... as far as up-to-date recall information, you'll probably get it faster on these forums than through official channels. I'm unable to send you a PM due to you not having 10 posts. If you can set up a 'dummy' e-mail account and post the address, I'll send you some information.
10-12-2011, 08:58 AM
#135
Fore!
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 756 F/O
Posts: 505
Originally Posted by Andy
Red Eye, by my calculations, the junior furloughee receiving a recall letter would be (1 Jul 11 seniority list) #6829. Smith, CD. Hire date 3/27/00.
Assuming that they send out 200 or more letters in this next batch, I will be in the next group of furloughees receiving letters. I'll post if I get one, and I'll post if I don't get one if someone else receives a recall letter.
Where did you hear that 100 accepted recall in the latest batch? That's a higher rate than I anticipated. And yes, I agree that some previous bypassers will look to be recalled.
... as far as up-to-date recall information, you'll probably get it faster on these forums than through official channels. I'm unable to send you a PM due to you not having 10 posts. If you can set up a 'dummy' e-mail account and post the address, I'll send you some information.
Assuming that they send out 200 or more letters in this next batch, I will be in the next group of furloughees receiving letters. I'll post if I get one, and I'll post if I don't get one if someone else receives a recall letter.
Where did you hear that 100 accepted recall in the latest batch? That's a higher rate than I anticipated. And yes, I agree that some previous bypassers will look to be recalled.
... as far as up-to-date recall information, you'll probably get it faster on these forums than through official channels. I'm unable to send you a PM due to you not having 10 posts. If you can set up a 'dummy' e-mail account and post the address, I'll send you some information.
10-12-2011, 09:02 AM
#136
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Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,165
Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
I hate to beat a dead horse so I won't after this, but, this is not a recall.
10-12-2011, 12:40 PM
#139
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 439
Technically no it is not a recall, but more like a recall reservation. The day the jcba is signed those that went to CAL from UAL would be in affect recalled on that day. (Hopefully the jnc gets longevity for furloughs.) A recall via CAL is more likely then a recall from the mother ship.
10-12-2011, 01:09 PM
#140
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Position: 756 F/O
Posts: 505
Originally Posted by El10
Technically no it is not a recall, but more like a recall reservation. The day the jcba is signed those that went to CAL from UAL would be in affect recalled on that day. (Hopefully the jnc gets longevity for furloughs.) A recall via CAL is more likely then a recall from the mother ship.
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