Communiction 12 just came out and apparrently my source was not accurate. According to Andy Chen a total of 110 pilots accepted the new hire position out of the first 600 called. That fills classes into early January. They will wait to hear from the pilots who bypassed before sending out the next round of offers. Those letters will go out in mid-November according to this communication.

 

Pardon my possible misunderstanding/ignorance, I thought once you bypassed you had to wait until they went clear down the list before another opportunity to go to CAL. After reading the update from Andy Chen it sounds like I am misinformed... Was this in the TPA?

 

Theoretically, you get a month 'timeout' (for lack of a better term) before you can put your name back in for another class.

I'd like to be able to post the furlough update that Red Eye is referring to but I don't have the ability to attach files on this forum. I tried copy/paste multiple times but it never worked.

To add to Red Eye's post (from the Chen update), the next batch of recall offers will go out sometime mid-Nov and will be a much smaller batch, as they are trying to fill only a single class with each new batch of letters.
The update also states that it is recommended for anyone who has bypassed and now wishes to get a class date should contact Christi Nixon NLT 12 Nov. I expect a bunch of initial bypassers to accept class dates prior to mid-Nov, which should make Red Eye's rumor correct. When I heard about CAL hiring earlier this year, my plan was to bypass until after the holidays - I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed so I imagine that there's quite a few bypassers who came up with the same plan. Since classes are now filled through early Jan 2012, I wouldn't be surprised if all of Feb's classes get filled prior to the next batch being offered jobs. JMHO.

 

What was said in communication 12 was that going forward, because of the number of pilots now scheduled for training, offer letters will be sent out in smaller batches targeting single class dates. There was no mention of waiting for bypassers with regards to sending out letters. The statement on bypassers was just a reminder of how they will be offered a class and the method of removing themselves from bypass.

 

Also agree a bunch of previous bypassers will reconsider and "insert" themselves after the 1 month "cool off".

The reality is unless you have something really stellar or are mil there just aren't going to be many opportunities untill Age 65 effects take place. The bypass rate right now is roughly 5.5 to 1 but if they don't steadily hit groups of mil guys, it will likely drop to the 4 to 1 range, possibly even lower now.

It's possible given what we know presently that a little under 400 new hire spots will have to come open to get the 1437 off the street. We would all like the United side to recall but I think the MO is clear that jobs will come from the CAL side as old gear is replaced by new gear on their side.

FWIW...

 

On a slightly brighter side however, what's going on at AA could technically be the first "Age 65 effect", albeit preservation of pension value, they're motivated due to age and impending retirement. Maybe I'm being overly speculative on that one.

Supposed to be another batch going in November. I gotta ask you, if you watched the stock drop by nearly half overnight and bounce back, your kinda forced to make a gamble that either the stock will rise with the "saving" of AA through new contracts (uuuuh...not) or if the company is on a inevitable path to bankruptcy. If I had to bet, I'd bail and buy some AMR stock to speculate but at least my pension would be somewhat "saved".

Wonder what these guys will do....?

 

I have read communication 12. Is this "timeout" discussed in the TPA or is this "how it is done" ? I guess I will have to pull out the TPA and read that part.

 

TPA 7-B ii:

(ii) No Pilot shall be entitled to more than two (2) offers of employment pursuant to this Section 7-B. If a Pilot declines the first offer, the employing Airline will not contact him for a second offer until he provides at least thirty (30) days notice to the employing Airline in writing of his desire to re-enter the hiring process. At

that time he will be eligible for the next available offer in seniority order.

 

I have a quick question. I am a voluntary furlough. My understanding is that I can bypass recall, an unlimited number of times, for up to 10 years. Is that correct? Or do I get 2 recalls like everyone else?

Thanks

 

You can bypass the Continental offer once, they won't call you after the first time you have to call them. You can bypass at United for up to 10 years. It is not like last time where they went up the list and then back down and you had to come back or quit.