dvhighdrive88

If Red Eye's previous post proves to be correct, there are only a few new hire slots to go, possibly 25 or so.

Can anybody corroborate this info?

LeeFXDWG

El10

Actually, no. And, of course, we'd have to get into all the legaleeze which would give anyone a headache.

I'll try to put it into a nutshell. And, you have to think different "categories" here. UAL furlough pilot that takes a CAL job will upon JCBA ratification receive all adjusted pay benefits, etc., from said agreement. That means that if their new adjusted pay based on UAL time or current CAL time is higher, they'll receive that. Don't confuse their status, that being an active CAL pilot on their seniority list with anything else.

Then, the ISL process begins. That will go through it's various wickets to a final determination. The new seniority list will be inked. However, until a recall from furlough happens to the new combined company (has nothing to do with TPA position they are holding) they are not a UAL pilot again until actual recall. They will not exercise whatever that final ISL seniority decision is at that time. They are still CAL pilot bottom feeder until recall. At that time they will return (granted to the combined UCH) and begin that process with all seniority rights (whatever that ends up being).

Of course, they'll still be employed during the whole process, but this is a very gray area for certain. There is no legal precedent I can find for this scenario. However, I see an arbitrator "fencing" a furlough/newhire from exercising seniority based bidding, etc., until such time as a real recall begins and they are officially "recalled".

In other words, until all is said and done, pay rate and other improvements will be enjoyed by said furlough/newhire after a JCBA. After ISL, vacation, etc., will be enjoyed by same. Exercising seniority for a seniority based bid will be witheld until an actual recall occurs.

Basically, anyone accepting employment at CAL under the provisions of the TPA will not receive a windfall at the expense of a more senior furlough. They must be offered the position at the combined company first. The CAL "newhire" will await their turn in the process and live in their current seat and fleet, and enjoy whatever the final answer was regarding pay, etc. No movement/bid unless it is on the CAL side exercising their present "newhire" CAL seniority until such time as recall begins.

Sadly, these are things I hope the MEC's are looking at.....but I doubt it. It will be a jungle. Clear as mud?

More simply stated, anyone furloughed on the CAL property will have a "dual" seniority number until an actual recall begins under the new ISL. Vacancies until recall will be their CAL "seniority".

Frats,
Lee

DR Pilot

Not sure about Red Eye's numbers. I got a DEC. 13th class and was 402 on the list and on the last 250 letters that went out. I was a Nov. 15th 1999 hired if that helps. I am number 4 in the Dec. 13th class.

Kentang4

Ditto. 11-15-99, Dec. 13 class. I know they are into the class behind us to fill Dec 13 as well.

Kent

skippy

thanks for the updates people!

Bandera89

11/29/99 hire, #11 in Dec 13 class. 4 out of the top 5 in our original UAL newhire class took the CAL deal. Interesting where these numbers are going..

Tony Nelson

Are any of the guys taking the Continental jobs coming from the RJ side of the previous job offers for UAL pilots that were furloughed.(ie. leaving GoJets, Skywest, Trans States, etc)

I think I just myself.

I would think anyone doing the RJ thing would leave for a Continental job in a heartbeat.

JMD16

Two in first class were at skywest on the prop side.

dvhighdrive88

I've heard from furloughees doing the RJ thing that they would have to give the CAL thing some serious thought. Hard to believe I know, but from their perspective as two timers they'd rather sit awhile, see what happens with the economy, JCBA and beyond. Also they said they'd like to see the list start moving in earnest and things smooth out at UCH before coming back.

This is not my opinion, just what has been said. Keep in mind however these are people living in base, holding a line and probably dropping time to create a lot of time off while getting decent health care at affordable prices. I think the two timers are seriously burned and gun shy and besides the pay increase, I don't think commuting to reserve at CAL is overly appealing if your home now and can sit awhile and see how things shake out.

Anyway, FWIW.

Red Eye

Communiction 12 just came out and apparrently my source was not accurate. According to Andy Chen a total of 110 pilots accepted the new hire position out of the first 600 called. That fills classes into early January. They will wait to hear from the pilots who bypassed before sending out the next round of offers. Those letters will go out in mid-November according to this communication.