bypass, bypass, bypass.......make em beg!!!!!!!!

 

Heck, since I haven't turned a wheel on ANY airplane for going on 7 years (furlough/mil leave (non-flying)/furlough)...I'd appreciate a few new hires joining me. That way we can all be lost trying to find the sim building.

 

Fred, I'm in the same boat. I wonder how many times they'll let me go through training?

 

My point was and is United like most of the majors favored ex mil guys. When I got hired in 2000 most in the class were. Very few civil aviation guys, some had both. 1 came from B727 AA 1 B767 TWA 1 Fed Ex(must be kicking themselves) 1 B727 guy. Only 1 commuter guy. 1 Net Jet. 19 white males 1 white female was the norm.

Well that is not going to happen anymore. I expect there are more active UAL guys trying to get hired at FedEx these days rather than the other way around.

There are just not the numbers of military pilots around anymore and given the choice UAL seems to want to hire them first. Mil pilots choice I strongly doubt it will be UAL?

 

NFL,

There is no "works back up" on the CAL jobs. And, for the extent that the furlough mitigation agreement at UAL is effective (could be terminated in the JCBA whenever that occurs), there is no "work back up" there either.

Read the agreements.

As to a reluctance to return to either opportunity (should one surface at UAL at some time in the future), who could blame them?

I, too, wish everyone the best of luck whatever their decision when they are asked the question.

Frats,
Lee

 

Farmer,

Your time machine needs a bit of an adjustment....

If you're talking about the UAL government mandated EEOC hiring for individuals that could provide a more diverse pilot group at UAL.....that endend about 95 or 96 I believe.

I know it was well done in 97 when I interviewed and was hired.

And, don't "blame" UAL for what happened with regards to the EEOC mandate. Nancy Stuke (God rest) hated what happened. The company actually got fragged by telling the gov't to shove it when they said UAL needed a more politically correct and diversified pilot group. And, then you got some 200 hour wonders in new-hire school because they fit the right metric to satisfy the gov't.

In the late 90's, my class was half military and half civilian (we didn't have any females, not that that really matters). Both groups were well qualified, had kicked butt on the Frasca (another story), and were well qualified.

We had guys from Delta, FedEx, etc. It was the place to be.

Now it isn't...hence my voluntary furlough because flying for UAL or any other legacy isn't my definition of being..........

My last sentence is the mind set you need to adopt. Don't get a chip because you think you're just as qualified as applicant X. If they didn't pick you, it is their loss...not yours.

Frats,
Lee

 

Lee,

No problem Lee,

I think chip has been knocked off for a few years, age has a tendency to do that. No, I was not referring to the eeoc mandated hiring, although I am aware it took place. I know a few regional pilots hhired in the late 90's early 2000 at UAL that were FOs with no PIC. On the other hand, everyone I knew as a new hire in 2007-2008 came from extensive military or civialian backgrounds w/ thousands of hours turbine/jet PIC. On the CAL side in 2007-2008 it was a different story... Many new hires were First Officers from the right seat of an Embraer jet with almost no experience. Many of them had been my First Officers at COEX. Some were excellent pilots, some you scratched your head and said what the.... The point I was simply making is when United hired last the new hires were very qualifiedwith a mix of military, civilian, and civilian ex pats who were getting back to the states. Many of my new hire class had 3 or more type ratings.

 

Any new info...? When is the next class? First week of December? Anyone getting close to training completion?

 

There is a class starting Tuesday 11/29 and I know of one 12/27. I don't know if there is an earlier December class.

 

Next May will be your class S