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Old 11-25-2012 | 03:46 PM
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Keep em coming! unless you're senior to me.
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Old 11-30-2012 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
Where did you get this number? I ask because FO Tara Cook, EWR FO Rep stated to me (in front of a handful of other pilots../20 Nov) that the number was less.

Then the UAL MEC Rep in attendance stated 370-400 pilots needed under the New JCBA and he also stated that the company's figure was 600 pilots.

Then again, after seeing the misleading info in the CrewNews, having my Reps lie to me and watching ALPA cave.. I really don't believe anything most of them say anymore~

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Yeah because this forum is so filled with FACTS! Such a GREAT place to get the straight scoop!
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Old 11-30-2012 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Yeah because this forum is so filled with FACTS! Such a GREAT place to get the straight scoop!
Not sure your reasoning behind your post-

Originally Posted by CAL EWR
The JCBA creates 800 new jobs on the CAL side due to the major work rule and scheduling section improvements.

The 800 new jobs will be filled a combination of new hires and furloughed United pilots. At present Continental has gone through the entire UAL list and offered class dates at Continental. Now they can hire off the street. As long as the furloughed UAL pilots haven't said no twice, they can ask to placed in any upcoming CAL new hire class. Hope this answers your question.

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My post that you commented on was an example of the different information that I have received.
Yes, I take everything I read here with a grain of salt. But.. when some posters at least identify themselves, that should lead to credence of their posts.

So basically, from my own Union- I have heard as little as 340 pilots to as many as 800 pilots.
You make the call...

Motch

PS> One way to look at Jayson's post vs. the NYC UAL Reps statements could be this-
JCBA means an increase on the "CAL" side while a decrease on the "UAL" side, still resulting in a net increase?!
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Old 11-30-2012 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
Not sure your reasoning behind your post-



My post that you commented on was an example of the different information that I have received.
Yes, I take everything I read here with a grain of salt. But.. when some posters at least identify themselves, that should lead to credence of their posts.

So basically, from my own Union- I have heard as little as 340 pilots to as many as 800 pilots.
You make the call...

Motch

PS> One way to look at Jayson's post vs. the NYC UAL Reps statements could be this-
JCBA means an increase on the "CAL" side while a decrease on the "UAL" side, still resulting in a net increase?!
The "word" at the school house is that they need to hire, and they expect around 300 furloughed UAL pilots to accept the job offer. Then hiring off the street (all the "poolies" have been gone through) Of course that may change upon the outcome of this TA....
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Old 11-30-2012 | 07:39 AM
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Question for the crowd. If the JCBA is passed, does that mean real recalls will start or does the ISL have to be completed (another ALPA screw job)??
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Old 11-30-2012 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
Question for the crowd. If the JCBA is passed, does that mean real recalls will start or does the ISL have to be completed (another ALPA screw job)??
There is nothing in the TA (that I am aware of) that mandates recalls. It appears that until SLI, Cal will continue hiring both UAL furloughees and newbies.
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Old 11-30-2012 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
There is nothing in the TA (that I am aware of) that mandates recalls. It appears that until SLI, Cal will continue hiring both UAL furloughees and newbies.
Sled
Great. So even though everyone is working under the same contract the furloughees still get screwed. Nice.
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Old 11-30-2012 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
Great. So even though everyone is working under the same contract the furloughees still get screwed. Nice.
I haven't heard yet how this will work. UAL announced they would begin recalls, and then retracted it, I'm guessing until the TA results are known.

As far as what would happen if the TA passed to the recalls, I don't know that has been settled yet. If it has, it hasn't been disseminated that I've seen. However, I don't think this will be a large an issue as you might think. If the rumors are true, then very soon you will see a 737 base opening in IAD and SFO. That means that there will be L-CAL bases in every one of United's hubs (except SEA, where with the exception of a few voluntary furloughs, no one could touch seniority wise anyway). Therefore, recalled furloughees would be working under the same rules/pay etc. that they would be working under at L-UAL, and have a chance to bid to any domicile their seniority can hold. The only thing they would be missing until the SLI would be the ability to fly the A320 as far as I can tell.
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Old 11-30-2012 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
Not sure your reasoning behind your post-
Well you've openly accused your reps of lying to you, caving on the contract, and providing you with misleading information. Have you attended a roadshow? If not, much of the information you are getting is from sources like people's emailed "interpretation" of the contract, and biased postings on this forum. My suggestion is that there is MUCH more BAD information in those emails and in this forum than there is coming from your reps.
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Old 11-30-2012 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
...... The only thing they would be missing until the SLI would be the ability to fly the A320 as far as I can tell.
Exactly............
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