Summer 2013. And so it begins.
06-13-2013 | 11:22 AM
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Actually, 67% of the combined pilot group voted to do just that.... to make extra money when ever they could.
Sad part about it is, not that they are making extra.. but that it has to cost the company big bucks to keep doing this.
So.. company loses money if they cancel. Bad.
Company loses money if they pay 150 or 200%. Bad.
Question is.. which loses the company less money?
Either way, it sucks.
But at least in one way, pilots are putting money away in their bank account, and not Jeffrey's.
Just my opinion.
Motch
PS> Gonna be a hell of a Summer~
Sad part about it is, not that they are making extra.. but that it has to cost the company big bucks to keep doing this.
So.. company loses money if they cancel. Bad.
Company loses money if they pay 150 or 200%. Bad.
Question is.. which loses the company less money?
Either way, it sucks.
But at least in one way, pilots are putting money away in their bank account, and not Jeffrey's.
Just my opinion.
Motch
PS> Gonna be a hell of a Summer~
Motch,
Few if any UAL pilots voted "YES" for reasons of money. In fact, I have not met a single UAL pilot while flyin' the line that claims to have voted "NO", and every single UAL pilot with whom I have spoken voted yes to end the tyranny of Jay Pierce, a man whom on the stand 2 days ago contradicted the sworn testimony of Jeff Smisek, testimony given in front of Congress.
One of those two gentlemen lied. My money is on Jay Pierce as the liar.
Stopping the process of fighting between the CAL-MEC and the UAL-MEC and getting all the pilots under the same contract was the only reason I voted yes, and I believe the main reason most UAL pilots voted yes.
Doesn't change the fact that I am an optimist with regards to our future
Your Flyin' Buddy,
Joe
06-13-2013 | 12:06 PM
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Motch,
Few if any UAL pilots voted "YES" for reasons of money. In fact, I have not met a single UAL pilot while flyin' the line that claims to have voted "NO", and every single UAL pilot with whom I have spoken voted yes to end the tyranny of Jay Pierce, a man whom on the stand 2 days ago contradicted the sworn testimony of Jeff Smisek, testimony given in front of Congress.
One of those two gentlemen lied. My money is on Jay Pierce as the liar.
Stopping the process of fighting between the CAL-MEC and the UAL-MEC and getting all the pilots under the same contract was the only reason I voted yes, and I believe the main reason most UAL pilots voted yes.
Doesn't change the fact that I am an optimist with regards to our future
Your Flyin' Buddy,
Joe
Few if any UAL pilots voted "YES" for reasons of money. In fact, I have not met a single UAL pilot while flyin' the line that claims to have voted "NO", and every single UAL pilot with whom I have spoken voted yes to end the tyranny of Jay Pierce, a man whom on the stand 2 days ago contradicted the sworn testimony of Jeff Smisek, testimony given in front of Congress.
One of those two gentlemen lied. My money is on Jay Pierce as the liar.
Stopping the process of fighting between the CAL-MEC and the UAL-MEC and getting all the pilots under the same contract was the only reason I voted yes, and I believe the main reason most UAL pilots voted yes.
Doesn't change the fact that I am an optimist with regards to our future
Your Flyin' Buddy,
Joe
06-14-2013 | 05:47 PM
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Most of my friends at UAL come from CommutAir and are currently Airbus pilots. None of them voted for reasons of money. Senior pilots like yourself who wallowed in the award of a 5 year freeze may have had the pleasure of waiting for a better future, but the rest of us want movement more than anything else in our careers. I do not agree with your analysis and continue to think that the majority of UAL votes were related to stopping the perceived delay being caused by the CAL-MEC which cost us hundreds of bids.
06-14-2013 | 07:35 PM
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In all honesty, did we as a pilot group waive that 84 hour line value or did the MEC groups waive it for us? I'm just curious. I've seen some line values awarded by PBS creep above the 84 hour line value and I thought that they were supposed to be limited to 84. Then again, I've been wrong before.
06-15-2013 | 09:12 AM
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Most of my friends at UAL come from CommutAir and are currently Airbus pilots. None of them voted for reasons of money. Senior pilots like yourself who wallowed in the award of a 5 year freeze may have had the pleasure of waiting for a better future, but the rest of us want movement more than anything else in our careers. I do not agree with your analysis and continue to think that the majority of UAL votes were related to stopping the perceived delay being caused by the CAL-MEC which cost us hundreds of bids.
06-18-2013 | 04:57 PM
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"Senior Manning opportunities may be available on June 19th, for CLE B737 Captains. If interested, call Crew Scheduling and let them know. In the event we get to the point junior manning is necessary, you will be in the first group to be called and voluntarily offered such a trip at premium pay."
06-19-2013 | 08:36 AM
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This recent event was either an isolated incident or just another example of cultural differences:
We were going from EWR-SAN, full airplane. A CAL captain comes up for the Jumpseat in uniform. As we chat, we discover that he is EWR 737 based and had picked up part of what was originally an IAH trip. So what he was doing was commuting on his own to SAN, sitting around for 4 or 5 hours in SAN, and then flying the all nighter back to EWR! I think he could tell by the looks on our faces that we thought he was nuts, and he ended up voluntarily taking the one empty seat (middle seat in coach) that was open as they shut the door. Again, I hope this falls under the unusual rather than par for the course. Who would voluntarily pick up a trip and put themselves in that situation? Has Colgan been forgotten already?
We were going from EWR-SAN, full airplane. A CAL captain comes up for the Jumpseat in uniform. As we chat, we discover that he is EWR 737 based and had picked up part of what was originally an IAH trip. So what he was doing was commuting on his own to SAN, sitting around for 4 or 5 hours in SAN, and then flying the all nighter back to EWR! I think he could tell by the looks on our faces that we thought he was nuts, and he ended up voluntarily taking the one empty seat (middle seat in coach) that was open as they shut the door. Again, I hope this falls under the unusual rather than par for the course. Who would voluntarily pick up a trip and put themselves in that situation? Has Colgan been forgotten already?
06-19-2013 | 10:01 AM
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This recent event was either an isolated incident or just another example of cultural differences:
We were going from EWR-SAN, full airplane. A CAL captain comes up for the Jumpseat in uniform. As we chat, we discover that he is EWR 737 based and had picked up part of what was originally an IAH trip. So what he was doing was commuting on his own to SAN, sitting around for 4 or 5 hours in SAN, and then flying the all nighter back to EWR! I think he could tell by the looks on our faces that we thought he was nuts, and he ended up voluntarily taking the one empty seat (middle seat in coach) that was open as they shut the door. Again, I hope this falls under the unusual rather than par for the course. Who would voluntarily pick up a trip and put themselves in that situation? Has Colgan been forgotten already?
We were going from EWR-SAN, full airplane. A CAL captain comes up for the Jumpseat in uniform. As we chat, we discover that he is EWR 737 based and had picked up part of what was originally an IAH trip. So what he was doing was commuting on his own to SAN, sitting around for 4 or 5 hours in SAN, and then flying the all nighter back to EWR! I think he could tell by the looks on our faces that we thought he was nuts, and he ended up voluntarily taking the one empty seat (middle seat in coach) that was open as they shut the door. Again, I hope this falls under the unusual rather than par for the course. Who would voluntarily pick up a trip and put themselves in that situation? Has Colgan been forgotten already?
06-19-2013 | 11:08 AM
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This thread is meandering a bit is it not? Here are my random thoughts on the last two assertions.
1. As a jr mag bus driver, I emphatically voted no.
2. Interesting how the company mangled the recalls to the bus. So few came back to the mother ship that it appears the company got caught with their pants down. The bus utilization is pathetic and there are lots of guys on reserve doing next to nothing, (!) while many of the guppy domiciles are offering PATT ops.
We're losing money and customers while DAL expands. I'll be surprised if the combined USAir-American team doesn't eat our lunch as well.
The changes are giving James gastrointestinal distress.
1. As a jr mag bus driver, I emphatically voted no.
2. Interesting how the company mangled the recalls to the bus. So few came back to the mother ship that it appears the company got caught with their pants down. The bus utilization is pathetic and there are lots of guys on reserve doing next to nothing, (!) while many of the guppy domiciles are offering PATT ops.
We're losing money and customers while DAL expands. I'll be surprised if the combined USAir-American team doesn't eat our lunch as well.
The changes are giving James gastrointestinal distress.
06-19-2013 | 12:07 PM
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I am a furloughed United guy flying for CAL. I accepted a junior manning trip on Monday that paid ten hours at 200% and had me gone from base for 20 hours. As all United pilots have been offered positions at CAL, I assume no one is objecting at this point to picking up a trip.
