For those on reserve it will be the usual brutal summer, SRM aside.

 

There's a big difference between scab and the "scab mentality". I think most, including yourself, understands that difference.

Explanation just for you - When you were taught and MENTORED by a "scab" it is very possible you will have tendencies to have the "scab mentality". When people use the term "scab mentality" they are telling you to keep it in check or one day given the chance you'll become a full-blown SCAB. You don't need to be offended - they are trying to help you.

 

So Staller ... Are you a scab if you try to take another pilot's job? And what do you call a group of pilots who give another group of pilots jobs before an open solicitation?

 

That is a very broad, yet directed question.

 

Yes, I have understood what you have been saying prior to the explanation!! I'll try to explain my point with a little more detail. You're right Staller I did fly with many Scabs through my career. I consider myself a person that has high self esteem and Really don't care what people think of me!! ( I do care what people I RESPECT think of me though!!) So, this scab mentality that you talk about I really don't get!! You either have IT, or you DON'T!! It's sort of like trying to teach ethics in College, and then see the students go out and run companies such as Enron and World Comm!! You either have ethics or you don't. If I flew with a scab and he tried to tell me his beliefs, it would be like listening to Bernie Madoff explain how to run a better business!! I'd just sit there and say " do you really believe what you are saying!" Whereas, listening to a Full Termer was very interesting and educational. I learned listening to those Full Termers it was like going to War and many lost everything(Plus I RESPECTED their opinion)!! Our pilots were out for Years not just months, which I think makes a big difference in how many crossers you have! I admire what BOTH pilot groups did!! I was told by these Full Termers they were proud of what they did but, it was the most miserable time in their life!! So, in closing I don't think what your's (or mine) opinion of "scab mentality" is anywhere close to REAL scab actions, which is crossing a line! I think the term "scab mentality" is used to get under the persons skin you're talking to in order to get them to feel pressured to capitulate to your opinion! Staller, even though I don't agree with 87% of your posts, I don't think your "Mentality" is Scab like it's just wrong!(in MY opinion) I do hope someday though we can get past this!! All the "anger" doesn't make the job very fun!!

 

So Staller ... Are you a scab if you try to take another pilot's job?
I think you know the answer to that but in case your head has been in the sand - YES!

And what do you call a group of pilots who give another group of pilots jobs before an open solicitation?
If you are referring to the UAL pilots working at cal - I call it a smart move on the part of the company and the 2 pilot groups. The company gets a well qualified group of pilots to pull from. Those guys that need the job have one at the parent company. And to be honest it was a smart move in the right direction for the cal pilots until the cal pilots through their elected reps choose to attempt to back-stab the same pilots by stapling them to the bottom of the seniority list.

Day one UAL pilots offered an olive branch and was prepared to join the CAL pilots to insure the merger benefited all. It's unfortunate that the cal leadership took this to be a weakness and has tried to take advantage instead of working with your ALPA brothers. Are you a scab for thinking this way? NO - It does show a SCAB MENTALITY.

 

Obviously the growth at United and those pilots would have come back anyway. DUH. Also, without the "merger right sizing" those pilots would never have been furloughed. Also, after seeing the CAL proposed seniority list, where CAL proposed stapling them to the bottom of their list, it's obvious the plan all along was to use that as leverage to get them to the bottom of the list.

I laughed when I saw those guys stapled below THEMSELVES! Wow.

 

This is great stuff. So now we will all know better than to follow what is in the contract and pick up open time. Don't want too much time for the month, and we certainly don't want to appear "scab like." You sure hate seeing our customers not get to where they need to go, but hey we have to do what we have to do. And besides, with Delta cranking up in EWR we will have a dependable operation to absorb our customers there anyway. That will show 'em!

 

Why don't you write Jeff and ask what he's doing to compete with Delta. Don't try to carry the load for Jeff when he already has you overloaded. The thing you speak are management functions and the pilot stuff is BS in comparison.

 

You are right. I think the answer is for UAL to have far more pilots per aircraft than DAL does to run the airline. That way, we can all relax and do min. guarantee each month. Does it really matter if you are out of whack with the competition in this business?