Is It The Pay Houston ?
04-27-2016, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
Because Jay Pierce tried to make his side look more like a big airline and equivalent to the UAL side for senority integration. The UAL side accepted it to stop the JP and JS carnage to the UAL pilot seniority. Since then the combined pilot group agreed to a 2 year extension for a little raise instead of making meaningful changes to the contract.
Hence, not ALPA's fault - it's the pilots greed. Own up!
Hence, not ALPA's fault - it's the pilots greed. Own up!
I see it as a simple fix to a contract, and a subsequent extension. Not requiring any sort of major re-write.
The ALPA National President signs the contract last, so it would lie squarely on his lap.
04-27-2016, 06:33 PM
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Let's not forget that the 767-300's are as old as a cat rancher senior F/A. They both were to be retired by now. I think the negotiating capital went into planes that people thought were going to be here long term.
04-27-2016, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by baseball
The B767 300 is a Legacy UAL airplane. Surely ALPA would understand that, and since Delta pays it correctly, which is also ALPA, then it should not have anything to do with integration. The L UAL pilots were flying that on the 76T. The B756 CAL pilots never flew the 300 under any contract.
I see it as a simple fix to a contract, and a subsequent extension. Not requiring any sort of major re-write.
The ALPA National President signs the contract last, so it would lie squarely on his lap.
I see it as a simple fix to a contract, and a subsequent extension. Not requiring any sort of major re-write.
The ALPA National President signs the contract last, so it would lie squarely on his lap.
Reread my post then go back and look at other post during the contract/integration period. That's how it happened. It also allowed for the 767-400 to be banded with the 747/777/787. Short attention span does not qualify as an excuse to blame the elected reps for doing what we asked.
ALPA National will sign any and all contracts presented that does not go again ALPA bylaws. If you want to do a simple fix then what are you willing to give to get it done. The company is not going to change the contract we agreed to without something in exchange.
Good chest pounding post though.
04-27-2016, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
Let's not forget that the 767-300's are as old as a cat rancher senior F/A. They both were to be retired by now. I think the negotiating capital went into planes that people thought were going to be here long term.
04-28-2016, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
Not at all but you and baseball get a circle going. Most know/accept the truth.
Would United be Stronger if Divided? - TheStreet
04-28-2016, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
Let's not forget that the 767-300's are as old as a cat rancher senior F/A. They both were to be retired by now. I think the negotiating capital went into planes that people thought were going to be here long term.
Originally Posted by sleeves
Keep up your divisive BS. It is helping so much.
Would United be Stronger if Divided? - TheStreet
Would United be Stronger if Divided? - TheStreet
This merger is still not complete after 6+ years and you fail to realize the actual cause.
- should have adopted either airlines identity. One side would have struggled but a solid foundation would have been in place. And we would have recovered by now.
- the post merger board should have been held more accountable for the DS stuff JS did. Furthermore they should go after any and all benefits the post merger board and executives walked away with.
- the current board should guide OM out the door. They allowed OM to stay in the job with a critical illness leaving the airline open for the GB takeover crowd. We still don't know what the pig-in-a-poke will bring. He's beginning to sound more like Rodney King - "can't we all just get along".
You want to blame employees for not singing the rah-rah cheer for things they have no control - not me. For those UAL guys that remember "high speed Howard" go as fast as you can for as long as you can and get as much as you can while you can. From a pilots prospective that's all we can do that matters. Put money aside for a rainy day.
04-28-2016, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
I love it - you fail to remember any of the merger history and then you fail to remember what you wrote 3 post before - sorry you read some bad press and need to blame somebody out of fear.
This merger is still not complete after 6+ years and you fail to realize the actual cause.
- should have adopted either airlines identity. One side would have struggled but a solid foundation would have been in place. And we would have recovered by now.
- the post merger board should have been held more accountable for the DS stuff JS did. Furthermore they should go after any and all benefits the post merger board and executives walked away with.
- the current board should guide OM out the door. They allowed OM to stay in the job with a critical illness leaving the airline open for the GB takeover crowd. We still don't know what the pig-in-a-poke will bring. He's beginning to sound more like Rodney King - "can't we all just get along".
You want to blame employees for not singing the rah-rah cheer for things they have no control - not me. For those UAL guys that remember "high speed Howard" go as fast as you can for as long as you can and get as much as you can while you can. From a pilots prospective that's all we can do that matters. Put money aside for a rainy day.
This merger is still not complete after 6+ years and you fail to realize the actual cause.
- should have adopted either airlines identity. One side would have struggled but a solid foundation would have been in place. And we would have recovered by now.
- the post merger board should have been held more accountable for the DS stuff JS did. Furthermore they should go after any and all benefits the post merger board and executives walked away with.
- the current board should guide OM out the door. They allowed OM to stay in the job with a critical illness leaving the airline open for the GB takeover crowd. We still don't know what the pig-in-a-poke will bring. He's beginning to sound more like Rodney King - "can't we all just get along".
You want to blame employees for not singing the rah-rah cheer for things they have no control - not me. For those UAL guys that remember "high speed Howard" go as fast as you can for as long as you can and get as much as you can while you can. From a pilots prospective that's all we can do that matters. Put money aside for a rainy day.
04-28-2016, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
- should have adopted either airlines identity. One side would have struggled but a solid foundation would have been in place. And we would have recovered by now.
This bull**** "best practices" idea was a disaster from the get-go. Half the crap wasn't either airlines "practice" but some management/training a-hole who thought they could re-invent the wheel. I would have been fine with just adopting either UAL's or CAL's procedures as half of us would have known it already with only the other half left to learn it.
F'ing Smallsak !!
04-28-2016, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
The conversation about open time lead me to this.
In the IAH B756 base- the long haul Europe and SA trips drop into open time and are being flown by reserves nearly every day.
Either MUC, LHR, GRU, SCL and sometimes several in a day are now showing up in open time. It's like there is some kind of flu bug on the 767-300.
Before the last contract- the 767 long haul flying was considered the cream and went very senior and was rarely seen in open time. That included 767-200, which paid WB.
I am guessing that people's motivation to put up with all nighters, foreign language, customs, and long range nave has been dampened by the fact that the 767-3 pays the same as the 757-3.
In the IAH B756 base- the long haul Europe and SA trips drop into open time and are being flown by reserves nearly every day.
Either MUC, LHR, GRU, SCL and sometimes several in a day are now showing up in open time. It's like there is some kind of flu bug on the 767-300.
Before the last contract- the 767 long haul flying was considered the cream and went very senior and was rarely seen in open time. That included 767-200, which paid WB.
I am guessing that people's motivation to put up with all nighters, foreign language, customs, and long range nave has been dampened by the fact that the 767-3 pays the same as the 757-3.
Two, as said earlier, most of the flying is a 4 day, relatively un-productive trip (i.e. 4 days at 20-22'ish hours of pay). The saving grace is the fact that the South America trips always leave late and get in early (sans Lima and Bogota which leave in the afternoon).
All in all, I really enjoy the trips and the destinations so I'm content. The London's used to be a 3 day/20 hour trip which went pretty senior. They changed over the winter to a 4 day/20'ish hour trip due to stronger headwinds and longer flight times (ref: FAR 117), but I'm hoping they go back to 3 day/20 hour for the summer.
04-28-2016, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
Not sure how the quote relates? You think the 767-300's were not old or slated for retirement? You are babbling as usual might need to take your meds.
You should know by now that the petty name calling and references to missing drugs does not phase me, especially considering the mindless babbling you and baseball engage in. I know you got scared reading bad press but there is no need to fear and jump off the cliff as the fear may pass.
As far as the 767-300 being old and was slated by JS to be retired, Delta has a similar fleet with age and will continue to operate it into the future - so will United.
In your case, the sky is falling and financial markets are about to collapse - Invest in silver quarters, take delivery and bury them in the back yard to protect yourself.
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