Keep the info coming! Good or bad I’d rather be informed than live in a false safe space.

 

if MEA is correct and they post a displacement bid I don’t see how a downgrade on the Boeing side is not possible merely because the numbers match. Is this about the red circle protections?

Normally, without anything from the SLI arbitration
45 a320 CA’s displaced, with 45 Captain openings on the 737 say with 45 openings in SEA. Let’s just say that 45 of the most senior 737-SEA-FO’s, who are all senior to the 45 displaced 320 Captains bid SEA Captain. If a displaced a320 CA then. elects to bump to SEA, diesn’t that bump the bottom guy out of SEA. Perhaps he can save his seat and be a Captain in LAX, or save his base and be a senior FO, but nevertheless he is still displaced possibly downgraded. No?

 

Couldn’t we see a reduction in SFO/lax and a new airbus base in SEA with an equal number of seats?

 

Well if that happens, and the BUS is flying N&S you might see a bunch of senior Boeing guys bid it. Lot of us old guys like to fly N&S. Rumor has it the bus is a great pre-retirement jet.

 

Most contracts allow someone displaced from base to bump anyone junior, any base, any plane.

 

That's my interpretation of Alaska's contract too. SEA base or not, if there's a reduction there's going to be some churn...

 

So let’s see, I have given you:

Last major AS aircraft order a couple of weeks before it was announced

Couple months heads up on the furlough

Told you pay, scope, and retirement numbers from the arbitration

Gave you real 2018 hiring numbers last September, when everyone else was saying 450

Gave you the fabric for the SLI construction. I know I said 620 would be the entry point of the VX pilots and it turned out 530. Other then the 7-1 early on, which I knew was a stretch and in my mind was confident it would be 2-1 to 4-1 more realisticly.

I even told you the top 200 at VX relative seniority would move backwards 24%. Who else was even close. Everyone laughed at me. What happened to the top 200 at VX.... Sovereign BBB A320 anyone?

How close was my SLI prediction a year out? I can’t control what three neutrals do, but I can look at the facts and give you the framework.

More then two years ago, I told everyone this SLI would be constructed considering, company viability, pay, retirement, and quality of their current career...and you all laughed. What an idiot you said, I didn’t understand how an SLI worked... only you did and it would be a relative integration. look back its all there.

After the arbitration hearing on the SLI was done... I said we would get our proposal without the back end feathering. I know I was way off?

50%, why did I say that you may ask. We were told to expect 60-40%

Told you 90 seat scope was being sold for pennies

Gave you the exact date of JFK closure when the company was saying they were still undecided

Told you I don’t see many if any 320’s here 5 years from now

Gave you really good hiring numbers for the next 3 years barring a major recession

Now I tell you about a 320 displacement and... you all laugh, what an idiot, my rep said they fired you...

Yeah your right sir... I bet you could easily do the same

 

My intention for disclosing the information on a reduction bid was not to scare anyone... only to inform

No one will be bumped back to an FO unless they so choose

The company on its own can almost certainly attain this outcome without any help from the union.

Most of this displacement bid, if not all will be voluntary position moves, which will solve almost any need to actually forcibly displace anyone.

The obvious answer of this bid is the 320 is shrinking going forward.

The company has not put the bid out so they could always change their direction.

I would not have posted this unless I was 90% sure it was going to happen

 

And your side was asking for 15% longevity not 30%... that is a significant difference, get your facts straight. Maybe you can call your rep... I bet he can help, he is probably a registered California “Super Rep” 😉

Going forward I don’t see a SEA a320 base

 

No A320 SEA base, but a A320 reduction?

Your info has been very accurate.

You say very few-if any A320 in 5 years but AAG seems to be serious about painting and retro-fitting them. Is this a waste of money by a a very fiscally conservative team?

Are the savings realized by renegotiating orders with Boeing/EMB/A220?

Is your information subject to SEC scrutiny?

Best of luck.