Attrition?
01-31-2022 | 05:05 PM
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I wonder if we could negotiate an MOU that says once crew scheduling is literally at zero reserves due to not being able to hire pilots, they can just ignore the whole “ARC check fail” thing since zero reserves equals zero reserves, no matter what day of the week or RAP being covered.
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01-31-2022 | 05:22 PM
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1. Retirements / movement up the list
2. Widebody fleets
3. Bases
That's not even mentioning pilot contract differences. We can get an awesome contract at AS but it won't stop the bleeding to the big 3 for those three reasons. Anyone below age 40 with less than 5 yrs here, the equation favors leaving.
01-31-2022 | 07:46 PM
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Sounds similar to jetBlue. IMO all pax airlines other than the big 3 are going to face attrition issues as pilots leave for the big 3:
1. Retirements / movement up the list
2. Widebody fleets
3. Bases
That's not even mentioning pilot contract differences. We can get an awesome contract at AS but it won't stop the bleeding to the big 3 for those three reasons. Anyone below age 40 with less than 5 yrs here, the equation favors leaving.
1. Retirements / movement up the list
2. Widebody fleets
3. Bases
That's not even mentioning pilot contract differences. We can get an awesome contract at AS but it won't stop the bleeding to the big 3 for those three reasons. Anyone below age 40 with less than 5 yrs here, the equation favors leaving.
01-31-2022 | 08:06 PM
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Agree. ShyGuy is wrong on this one. A new contract would stem attrition to a trickle. I know multiple pilots who are on the edge and a contract would get them to stay.
01-31-2022 | 10:02 PM
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02-01-2022 | 05:26 AM
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Very telling that John Ladner and company say” We are looking forward to raising pay rates”. That is the classic Alaska Airlines move. Disregard that pay rates are not anywhere near a priority relative to scope, reserve, scheduling, retirement, training etc……Next up in the playbook….”senior captains” regurgitating the “ time value of money” speech….And the tone is still…That pesky ALPA getting in the way again
02-01-2022 | 08:41 AM
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Very telling that John Ladner and company say” We are looking forward to raising pay rates”. That is the classic Alaska Airlines move. Disregard that pay rates are not anywhere near a priority relative to scope, reserve, scheduling, retirement, training etc……Next up in the playbook….”senior captains” regurgitating the “ time value of money” speech….And the tone is still…That pesky ALPA getting in the way again
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02-01-2022 | 01:42 PM
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Very telling that John Ladner and company say” We are looking forward to raising pay rates”. That is the classic Alaska Airlines move. Disregard that pay rates are not anywhere near a priority relative to scope, reserve, scheduling, retirement, training etc……Next up in the playbook….”senior captains” regurgitating the “ time value of money” speech….And the tone is still…That pesky ALPA getting in the way again
02-01-2022 | 01:59 PM
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His last mass email to his minions. When I hear or read something a management pilot says I just dismiss it as lies. So it’s basically just false, misleading or just worthless. Get it in writing (contract), or it doesn’t matter.
2 weeks ago you were saying there wasn’t attrition. What gives.
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