Attrition?
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Of all the sentences you write, (which are plenty) this is the one that ****es me off the most.
You have zero experience in what levels of attrition will impact the operation. But yet you speak with certainty about what the people in management are thinking. You do this all the time. Your speculation is based on nothing but your own overconfidence and your small window into the industry.
The company has said very clearly they intend to grow. If attrition delays those plans, don't you think that's leverage?
I'm not saying to not have an opinion. Sure, we all can have that. But, damn dude, stop speaking like a prophet. You're not one.
You have zero experience in what levels of attrition will impact the operation. But yet you speak with certainty about what the people in management are thinking. You do this all the time. Your speculation is based on nothing but your own overconfidence and your small window into the industry.
The company has said very clearly they intend to grow. If attrition delays those plans, don't you think that's leverage?
I'm not saying to not have an opinion. Sure, we all can have that. But, damn dude, stop speaking like a prophet. You're not one.
As for impact in operation, you can certainly take your best guess. When things were melting down in the entire sector due to omicron and blizzards in Dec and early Jan, some airlines offered 200% to everyone just to show up to normal work. Some did 200, 300, even 400% pay for opentime pickup. One though paid 150% for premium trips but otherwise, cancelled flights due to lack of crew. No attempts at any 150% for showing up to work. Or 200, 300, etc for picking up trips. Guess who? We are shaping up to have a year that will break records in pilot hiring, largest in history, and one solution offered is just to hire more than planned in order to deal with attrition. Guess who?
Does that sound like desperation by any means?
Lastly…
“Grow” to you is not the same as “grow” to them. Growth to you and I means more airframes, more CAs, more newhires. Growth to them is measured in ASMs. Parking 4 A320s and replacing with 3 MAXes resulting in more overall seats is “growth” to them. Not for us. For us that’s 1 less airframe.
Keep that in mind, the definition of growth is not the same.
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One though paid 150% for premium trips but otherwise, cancelled flights due to lack of crew. No attempts at any 150% for showing up to work. Or 200, 300, etc for picking up trips. Guess who? We are shaping up to have a year that will break records in pilot hiring, largest in history, and one solution offered is just to hire more than planned in order to deal with attrition. Guess who?
“Grow” to you is not the same as “grow” to them. Growth to you and I means more airframes, more CAs, more newhires. Growth to them is measured in ASMs. Parking 4 A320s and replacing with 3 MAXes resulting in more overall seats is “growth” to them. Not for us. For us that’s 1 less airframe.
Keep that in mind, the definition of growth is not the same.
Keep that in mind, the definition of growth is not the same.
We already have emails saying they're drawing down block hours because of crew shortages. Sounds like attrition is already having an impact. At what point do you start calling it a problem, Shy?
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The fleet plan is public knowledge. They want more airframes. If they have to retreat from those plans because they can't retain or hire fast enough, that's leverage. I guess we'll have to see how badly they want it.
We already have emails saying they're drawing down block hours because of crew shortages. Sounds like attrition is already having an impact. At what point do you start calling it a problem, Shy?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzEJo28LG-Y
Change the logos/signs and the uniform, sounds similar.
Lets start the merger rumors
Change the logos/signs and the uniform, sounds similar.
Lets start the merger rumors
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzEJo28LG-Y
Change the logos/signs and the uniform, sounds similar.
Lets start the merger rumors
Change the logos/signs and the uniform, sounds similar.
Lets start the merger rumors

Also, that was really well done. Especially liked that they showed the affects cancellations have on customers. I reckon those pilots were actors though.
#238
What the company believes growth is (more seats) does not coincide with what we believe growth is (more planes).
Yes we will park smaller planes and replace them with bigger ones (which we won't get paid more to fly, but it's a King Ranch!)
Yes we will park smaller planes and replace them with bigger ones (which we won't get paid more to fly, but it's a King Ranch!)
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Well. SkyWest/Horizon are going to fly the smaller planes… but other than that yes.
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