Allegiant Air
06-13-2015 | 07:45 PM
#2851
Banned
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 481
Likes: 0
From: Da Bus
Let me start by declaring, I am not a union official of any kind. This is my opinion as a lone line pilot at g4. From where I sit, the pulse of our pilot group is thus:
Don't be surprised if you're NOT welcome.
New hires are not seen as helping the cause so don't be surprised by a cold shoulder from many. Pilots, even senior captains, are leaving in record numbers due to deplorable treatment and working conditions. Thanks to recent court rulings and a powerless FAA, the company is proudly boasting it's ability to expand without constraints or obligations to follow its own work rules. If things were bad before, they are much worse now.
With a steady supply of eager applicants, the company sees no need to negotiate and will try to drag negotiations out for years. You are NOT helping by coming here. The company celebrates the departure of our senior pilots as they welcome a fresh batch of willing, cheaper replacements happy to do the company's bidding without the protections of a union contract. Fresh off its legal victories, management is emboldened and determined to rid itself of unions altogether. Thanks to management's tactics two of the three unions are already on the ropes and the pilot group appears to be the next target on their list. Much of their success in defeating the Flight Attendants and replacing them with fresh new ones. You are the new ones in this case.
Clearly this is also the plan with the pilots and new applicants are essential to management's plan: to position itself as a niche between the regional sector and the majors. They are not interested in career employees, just those willing to come and punch their ticket get some experience and move on. Regional 2.0. Training cost are seen as negligible because here so little is spent on training. By coming here you are agreeing to work at a place that has no work rules and will do whatever's necessary to avoid having them. Allegiant is attempting to permanently alter the profession through it's attack on quality of life and standard of living. Coming here now, you will only be enabling the demise of our profession and risking your certificate through shoddy training, minimal support and poorly maintained airplanes.
Our pilots are in the struggle of their careers trying to hold the line against an Anti-Union company he11-bent on profits, unrestrained by government agencies, common sense or safety. Coming to Allegiant during our time of strife just helps them with their agenda. Think twice about coming here till after a contract is signed, otherwise you might find a cold welcome..
Troop..
Don't be surprised if you're NOT welcome.
New hires are not seen as helping the cause so don't be surprised by a cold shoulder from many. Pilots, even senior captains, are leaving in record numbers due to deplorable treatment and working conditions. Thanks to recent court rulings and a powerless FAA, the company is proudly boasting it's ability to expand without constraints or obligations to follow its own work rules. If things were bad before, they are much worse now.
With a steady supply of eager applicants, the company sees no need to negotiate and will try to drag negotiations out for years. You are NOT helping by coming here. The company celebrates the departure of our senior pilots as they welcome a fresh batch of willing, cheaper replacements happy to do the company's bidding without the protections of a union contract. Fresh off its legal victories, management is emboldened and determined to rid itself of unions altogether. Thanks to management's tactics two of the three unions are already on the ropes and the pilot group appears to be the next target on their list. Much of their success in defeating the Flight Attendants and replacing them with fresh new ones. You are the new ones in this case.
Clearly this is also the plan with the pilots and new applicants are essential to management's plan: to position itself as a niche between the regional sector and the majors. They are not interested in career employees, just those willing to come and punch their ticket get some experience and move on. Regional 2.0. Training cost are seen as negligible because here so little is spent on training. By coming here you are agreeing to work at a place that has no work rules and will do whatever's necessary to avoid having them. Allegiant is attempting to permanently alter the profession through it's attack on quality of life and standard of living. Coming here now, you will only be enabling the demise of our profession and risking your certificate through shoddy training, minimal support and poorly maintained airplanes.
Our pilots are in the struggle of their careers trying to hold the line against an Anti-Union company he11-bent on profits, unrestrained by government agencies, common sense or safety. Coming to Allegiant during our time of strife just helps them with their agenda. Think twice about coming here till after a contract is signed, otherwise you might find a cold welcome..
Troop..
06-13-2015 | 07:48 PM
#2852
Banned
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 481
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From: Da Bus
True, it's perplexing to me that guys qualified to work elsewhere are risking their careers and family applying to Allegiant. They could just as easily apply at a quality airline like JB, WN, Spirit that cares about their employees. Or, wait for a legacy. It's only a matter of time before all airlines will be fighting over minimally qualified pilots.
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
Captain Durden, to the rescue!!!!!!
06-13-2015 | 10:10 PM
#2853
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 174
Likes: 4
[QUOTE=G4Troop;1904156]Let me start by declaring, I am not a union official of any kind. This is my opinion as a lone line pilot at g4. From where I sit, the pulse of our pilot group is thus:
Don't be surprised if you're NOT welcome.
New hires are not seen as helping the cause so don't be surprised by a cold shoulder from many. Pilots, even senior captains, are leaving in record numbers due to deplorable treatment and working conditions. Thanks to recent court rulings and a powerless FAA, the company is proudly boasting it's ability to expand without constraints or obligations to follow its own work rules. If things were bad before, they are much worse now.
With a steady supply of eager applicants, the company sees no need to negotiate and will try to drag negotiations out for years. You are NOT helping by coming here. The company celebrates the departure of our senior pilots as they welcome a fresh batch of willing, cheaper replacements happy to do the company's bidding without the protections of a union contract. Fresh off its legal victories, management is emboldened and determined to rid itself of unions altogether. Thanks to management's tactics two of the three unions are already on the ropes and the pilot group appears to be the next target on their list. Much of their success in defeating the Flight Attendants and replacing them with fresh new ones. You are the new ones in this case.
Clearly this is also the plan with the pilots and new applicants are essential to management's plan: to position itself as a niche between the regional sector and the majors. They are not interested in career employees, just those willing to come and punch their ticket get some experience and move on. Regional 2.0. Training cost are seen as negligible because here so little is spent on training. By coming here you are agreeing to work at a place that has no work rules and will do whatever's necessary to avoid having them. Allegiant is attempting to permanently alter the profession through it's attack on quality of life and standard of living. Coming here now, you will only be enabling the demise of our profession and risking your certificate through shoddy training, minimal support and poorly maintained airplanes.
Our pilots are in the struggle of their careers trying to hold the line against an Anti-Union company he11-bent on profits, unrestrained by government agencies, common sense or safety. Coming to Allegiant during our time of strife just helps them with their agenda. Think twice about coming here till after a contract is signed, otherwise you might find a cold welcome..
Troop..[/QUOTE
You are a tool. New hires will not get the cold shoulder from 99.9 percent of the pilot. I cannot believe that you would portray us this way. I understand your frustrated but don't try to speak for any of our group of pilots.
New hires, welcome to the fight. Come and help us make this a better place. The only thing I'll promise you is I have NEVER run into a pilot here as big of a tool as this person.
Don't be surprised if you're NOT welcome.
New hires are not seen as helping the cause so don't be surprised by a cold shoulder from many. Pilots, even senior captains, are leaving in record numbers due to deplorable treatment and working conditions. Thanks to recent court rulings and a powerless FAA, the company is proudly boasting it's ability to expand without constraints or obligations to follow its own work rules. If things were bad before, they are much worse now.
With a steady supply of eager applicants, the company sees no need to negotiate and will try to drag negotiations out for years. You are NOT helping by coming here. The company celebrates the departure of our senior pilots as they welcome a fresh batch of willing, cheaper replacements happy to do the company's bidding without the protections of a union contract. Fresh off its legal victories, management is emboldened and determined to rid itself of unions altogether. Thanks to management's tactics two of the three unions are already on the ropes and the pilot group appears to be the next target on their list. Much of their success in defeating the Flight Attendants and replacing them with fresh new ones. You are the new ones in this case.
Clearly this is also the plan with the pilots and new applicants are essential to management's plan: to position itself as a niche between the regional sector and the majors. They are not interested in career employees, just those willing to come and punch their ticket get some experience and move on. Regional 2.0. Training cost are seen as negligible because here so little is spent on training. By coming here you are agreeing to work at a place that has no work rules and will do whatever's necessary to avoid having them. Allegiant is attempting to permanently alter the profession through it's attack on quality of life and standard of living. Coming here now, you will only be enabling the demise of our profession and risking your certificate through shoddy training, minimal support and poorly maintained airplanes.
Our pilots are in the struggle of their careers trying to hold the line against an Anti-Union company he11-bent on profits, unrestrained by government agencies, common sense or safety. Coming to Allegiant during our time of strife just helps them with their agenda. Think twice about coming here till after a contract is signed, otherwise you might find a cold welcome..
Troop..
[/QUOTEYou are a tool. New hires will not get the cold shoulder from 99.9 percent of the pilot. I cannot believe that you would portray us this way. I understand your frustrated but don't try to speak for any of our group of pilots.
New hires, welcome to the fight. Come and help us make this a better place. The only thing I'll promise you is I have NEVER run into a pilot here as big of a tool as this person.
06-14-2015 | 03:04 AM
#2854
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 390
Likes: 0
Hero works but I prefer the term super hero, maybe even caped crusading crime-fighter. Lol Just trying to keep it light fellas. Off to work.
06-14-2015 | 06:48 AM
#2855
Swimmin' in da pool
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 449
Likes: 0
I don't believe anyone mentioned dying, but getting pinked has become an overly common occurance, mostly because of inadequate resources invested in training and FAA oversight. Few pilots in other airlines feel the fear our guys feel going unprepared into recurrent checks. Many have been terminated as a consequence of crappy training. The Feds did shut training down. Bean counters cutting MD-80 systems to 5 days to save the new hotel costs. Feds answered by busting orals. AQP resources diverted to a video training program designed to save costs in new hire classes. FOs not seeing a sim for a year, walk into jeopardy events cold. Weeks ago we even had both capt and FO bust on the same event. Airbus training has been labeled a disaster and has suffered its share of casualties. The examples are everywhere and all boil down to sacrificing everything for the cost savings.
Family? Ask the guys that were sent TDY for months, some cases over a year, away from family, unable to commute.
Family? Ask the guys that were sent TDY for months, some cases over a year, away from family, unable to commute.
06-14-2015 | 08:07 AM
#2856
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 528
Likes: 0
From: FO
You left out the big stuff. I got sick of filling out ASAPs every other day and being left high and dry by every level of the company. Getting called in to answer for the sins of allegiant became too much so I left. It was only a matter of time before maintenance issues or something else tubed my exit strategy. I feel lucky to have moved on but I miss my friends from allegiant. I wish you all good luck.
06-14-2015 | 08:14 AM
#2857
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 188
Likes: 0
From: MD80
I don't believe anyone mentioned dying, but getting pinked has become an overly common occurance, mostly because of inadequate resources invested in training and FAA oversight. Few pilots in other airlines feel the fear our guys feel going unprepared into recurrent checks. Many have been terminated as a consequence of crappy training. The Feds did shut training down. Bean counters cutting MD-80 systems to 5 days to save the new hotel costs. Feds answered by busting orals. AQP resources diverted to a video training program designed to save costs in new hire classes. FOs not seeing a sim for a year, walk into jeopardy events cold. Weeks ago we even had both capt and FO bust on the same event. Airbus training has been labeled a disaster and has suffered its share of casualties. The examples are everywhere and all boil down to sacrificing everything for the cost savings.
Family? Ask the guys that were sent TDY for months, some cases over a year, away from family, unable to commute.
Family? Ask the guys that were sent TDY for months, some cases over a year, away from family, unable to commute.
How many people were "pinked" last year?
Why are you unprepared to go into a PC? Many other airlines are not AQP, and see the sim on a 6/12 month basis. With the ability to have items retrained on a PC, you really have to F- up many times to bust one. That's on you... Not the training department.
Yes, the TDY's sucked....
AQP resources diverted to what? You know this how?
Again, let's talk in truths and not what the guy I flew with told me because he heard it from his FA. There is enough factual information to put on here that we don't need to embellish or speak in half truths.
06-14-2015 | 08:56 AM
#2858
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
How many people were "pinked" last year?
Why are you unprepared to go into a PC? Many other airlines are not AQP, and see the sim on a 6/12 month basis. With the ability to have items retrained on a PC, you really have to F- up many times to bust one. That's on you... Not the training department.
Yes, the TDY's sucked....
AQP resources diverted to what? You know this how?
Why are you unprepared to go into a PC? Many other airlines are not AQP, and see the sim on a 6/12 month basis. With the ability to have items retrained on a PC, you really have to F- up many times to bust one. That's on you... Not the training department.
Yes, the TDY's sucked....
AQP resources diverted to what? You know this how?
While I don't think AQP is off the table, they are spending a considerable amount of money developing ADAP software for the MD80 and Airbus. There are a myriad of CBT programs out there but in true Allegiant fashion, they think they can build a better (and cheaper) mousetrap. Throughout my tenure here, this has backfired 100% of the time. Did I mention that MG owns the video production company?
06-14-2015 | 09:14 AM
#2859
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 174
Likes: 4
If you're referring to actual "pink slips", there are 2 that I am sure of. However, I'm not involved in 80 training so there could be more. PC failures? Many, many more.
While I don't think AQP is off the table, they are spending a considerable amount of money developing ADAP software for the MD80 and Airbus. There are a myriad of CBT programs out there but in true Allegiant fashion, they think they can build a better (and cheaper) mousetrap. Throughout my tenure here, this has backfired 100% of the time. Did I mention that MG owns the video production company?
While I don't think AQP is off the table, they are spending a considerable amount of money developing ADAP software for the MD80 and Airbus. There are a myriad of CBT programs out there but in true Allegiant fashion, they think they can build a better (and cheaper) mousetrap. Throughout my tenure here, this has backfired 100% of the time. Did I mention that MG owns the video production company?
That one is the company's fault because they should have told him that although he had a type he still had to pass an oral.
06-14-2015 | 09:16 AM
#2860
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
While I don't think AQP is off the table, they are spending a considerable amount of money developing ADAP software for the MD80 and Airbus. There are a myriad of CBT programs out there but in true Allegiant fashion, they think they can build a better (and cheaper) mousetrap. Throughout my tenure here, this has backfired 100% of the time. Did I mention that MG owns the video production company?
allegiantltrfinal.htm - Generated by SEC Publisher for SEC Filing
At the June 18th annual shareholder meeting, we urge you to Vote Against Audit Committee members Linda A. Marvin, Gary Ellmer and John Redmond for sanctioning a series of highly questionable and costly related transactions with CEO Maurice Gallagher over the past year. Making up three quarters of the Audit Committee – responsible for approving related party transactions -- the three directors share extensive business or employee ties with CEO Gallagher, and their collective failure to guard against what we view as the poor use of shareholders’ capital spotlights serious weaknesses in the board’s structure. Allegiant’s governance has failed to evolve along with the airline’s growth and suffers from many of the trappings of a founder-dominated company. The following are of critical concern for shareholders:
- New and highly questionable related transactions with the CEO that are equal to one-third of the company’s SG&A expense in 2014. This includes sponsorship of CEO Gallagher’s NASCAR racing team, for which his son drives; a video production company, Alpine Labs, co-founded by CEO Gallagher, for the production of a game-show; and Adapt Courseware, a developer of online teaching tools also controlled by CEO Gallagher, for the production of company training tools.
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