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Old 07-24-2015 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MD80driver2day
Consequences? They're likely to get a bonus.


Does anyone know if the union is setting up a fund for the PIE CA? He'll likely need some help until the union can sue (if they can) or he can hire a lawyer and sue the heck of out this company. Getting fired for following the GOM.
The union or his attorney. He has recourses and nothing to lose now. He should pursue all avenues with absolute prejudice. This company deserves a good shellacking. An American Eagle captain in 1996 was fired for turning back his airplane to dfw. He won 10 million by a jury of his peers in Dallas of all places. Sounds very similar to this case.
Old 07-24-2015 | 02:44 PM
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Unbelievable!

I'm assuming the FO here is the same Director of Safety that told a recurrent class a while back that safety was NOT the #1 priority at Allegiant??

The story I heard went something like 'safety is maintained by determining acceptable levels of risk at differing levels of profitability.'
Old 07-24-2015 | 03:03 PM
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Old 07-24-2015 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LavStink
So, by show of hands, who here wants to hear the ATC tapes of the VP of Flt Ops (GB) and his First Officer, the Director of Safety (MW) declaring a humiliating emergency because they're running out of fuel after flying all the way to a closed destination. Guess somebody didn't read their notams, huh?
I'm sure they'll blame "the summer heat and their demanding schedules" for failing to read the notams.
So, was this goof-up due to not being aware of the airshow restrictions going on in Fargo on July 23rd? Seems a little odd for the flight to run so tight on fuel onboard, what if Fargo had been closed for hours for some reason, how would they get to their alternate? Pilot said he would be on bingo fuel in about 3 minutes, "We don't have enough fuel to go anywhere else". I wonder how late in the flight they realized that landing in Fargo was un-routine that day.
Old 07-24-2015 | 04:41 PM
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Dayam, Karma's a biotchhhh!
Old 07-24-2015 | 05:49 PM
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At Allegiant, dispatch ALWAYS gives you minimum fuel. Dispatch never looks at weather or notams, that's up to the crew to figure out.
Old 07-24-2015 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by EngFail
An American Eagle captain in 1996 was fired for turning back his airplane to dfw. He won 10 million by a jury of his peers in Dallas of all places. Sounds very similar to this case.
What is the story behind that? That sounds pretty interesting.
Old 07-24-2015 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Banzai Pilot
What is the story behind that? That sounds pretty interesting.
airwolf.lmtonline.com/news/archive/011400/pagea10.pdf

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"Pilot's Trial Offers Inside Look At Airlines and Safety Disputes"
Old 07-24-2015 | 06:33 PM
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Ughhh....this is painful to watch/listen to.

"Your company dispatch should have known about this for months."

NOTAM even has the number tower gave him over the radio.

FDC 5/5699 ZMP ND..AIRSPACE FARGO, ND..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTION. DUE TO THE U.S. NAVY BLUE ANGELS, THE U.S. NAVY LEAPFROGS, THE USMC HARRIER AND VARIOUS OTHER AERIAL DEMONSTRATIONS, EFFECTIVE 1507231700 UNTIL 1507232200, 1507241700 UNTIL 1507242200, 1507251600 UNTIL 1507252200, AND 1507261600 UNTIL 1507262200. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.145, MANAGEMENT OF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS IN THE VICINITY OF AERIAL DEMONSTRATIONS AND MAJOR SPORTING EVENTS, AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 5 NM RADIUS OF 465430N0964859W OR THE FARGO /FAR/ VORTAC 360 DEGREE RADIAL AT 9.4 NM, SFC-16000FT UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. MARK RINGHAM, PHONE 701-866-9078, IS THE POINT OF CONTACT. THE FARGO /FAR/ ATCT, PHONE 701-235-8894, IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY. 1507231700-1507262200EST

So where did they land? I never heard them back with FAR tower.
Old 07-24-2015 | 06:42 PM
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They declared an emergency and landed at FAR
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