rokgpsman

If that flight had departed KLAS on time at 7:05am instead of the actual late departure of 08:25am they would have arrived into KFAR before the airport closed for airshow restrictions. Maybe AAY headquarters knew about the Fargo airport restrictions but figured flight 426 would arrive before the noon shutdown, didn't allow for the possibility of a late departure? But that may be giving them too much credit, plus an on-time departure is an exception to the norm.

FlightAware shows they landed into Fargo at 1:02pm
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY426

Somewhat surprised that management didn't find a way to charge the passengers a fee for "Viewing a Blue Angels Rehearsal".


Also, are the following FAA fuel rules no longer in effect?

http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/Avianca52/INFO_08004.pdf
(see page 2, paragraph c.)

Reserve Fuel

FAA fuel requirements for flight in IFR conditions state that:

"No person may operate a civil aircraft in IFR conditions unless it carries enough fuel (considering weather reports and forecasts and weather conditions) to-

Complete the flight to the first airport of intended landing;

Fly from that airport to the alternate airport [if one is required]; and

Fly after that for 45 minutes at normal cruising speed or, for helicopters, fly after that for 30 minutes at normal cruising speed."

GordoCooper

§13.5 Formal complaints.
(a) Any person may file a complaint with the Administrator with respect to anything done or omitted to be done by any person in contravention of any provision of any Act or of any regulation or order issued under it, as to matters within the jurisdiction of the Administrator. This section does not apply to complaints against the Administrator or employees of the FAA acting within the scope of their employment.

(b) Complaints filed under this section must—

(1) Be submitted in writing and identified as a complaint filed for the purpose of seeking an appropriate order or other enforcement action;

(2) Be submitted to the Federal Aviation Administration, Office of the Chief Counsel, Attention: Enforcement Docket (AGC-10), 800 Independence Avenue, S.W., Washington, DC 20591;

(3) Set forth the name and address, if known, of each person who is the subject of the complaint and, with respect to each person, the specific provisions of the Act or regulation or order that the complainant believes were violated;

(4) Contain a concise but complete statement of the facts relied upon to substantiate each allegation;

(5) State the name, address and telephone number of the person filing the complaint; and

(6) Be signed by the person filing the complaint or a duly authorized representative.

(c) Complaints which do not meet the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section will be considered reports under §13.1.

(d) Complaints which meet the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section will be docketed and a copy mailed to each person named in the complaint.

(e) Any complaint filed against a member of the Armed Forces of the United States acting in the performance of official duties shall be referred to the Secretary of the Department concerned for action in accordance with the procedures set forth in §13.21 of this part.

(f) The person named in the complaint shall file an answer within 20 days after service of a copy of the complaint.

(g) After the complaint has been answered or after the allotted time in which to file an answer has expired, the Administrator shall determine if there are reasonable grounds for investigating the complaint.

(h) If the Administrator determines that a complaint does not state facts which warrant an investigation or action, the complaint may be dismissed without a hearing and the reason for the dismissal shall be given, in writing, to the person who filed the complaint and the person named in the complaint.

(i) If the Administrator determines that reasonable grounds exist, an informal investigation may be initiated or an order of investigation may be issued in accordance with subpart F of this part, or both. Each person named in the complaint shall be advised which official has been delegated the responsibility under §13.3(b) or (c) for conducting the investigation.

(j) If the investigation substantiates the allegations set forth in the complaint, a notice of proposed order may be issued or other enforcement action taken in accordance with this part.

(k) The complaint and other pleadings and official FAA records relating to the disposition of the complaint are maintained in current docket form in the Enforcement Docket (AGC-10), Office of the Chief Counsel, Federal Aviation Administration, 800 Independence Avenue, S.W., Washington, D. C. 20591. Any interested person may examine any docketed material at that office, at any time after the docket is established, except material that is ordered withheld from the public under applicable law or regulations, and may obtain a photostatic or duplicate copy upon paying the cost of the copy.

Ok teamsters: in the event a violation is known, a complaint can be filed. It requires a name of the complainant. In this case, it's the teamsters! Therefore no AAY pilot name on the file to end up being terminated like our most recent captain. Also, maybe abc, nbc, Fox News, CNN, etc should be officially notified.

This is the red warning light: AAY is not operating in the safe interest of the public it carries. When the VP declares a fuel emergency; he must go! This requires an investigation regarding PIC responsibility regarding preflight planning. PIC is responsible for obtaining any and all appropriate information regarding the proposed flight. In this case; published notam information was either overlooked, or ignored by the PIC. This is the PIC who initiated a dangerous fuel policy that professional and competent AAY pilots have protected him for several years by simply adding fuel as necessary directly with the gate or fueler. Now, it's time to place incompetence and a blatant FAA violation where it belongs. Not dispatch: but with the PIC. Since he is also VP......credibility of his position is lost; and he must resign.

Also lets not overlook a very important connection. This is who is on the other side of the pilot contract negotiating table each session. The NMB needs to hear this recording as well. It's all about credibility. Unfortunately( or fortunately depending on the outcome), credibility for the VP is gone.

Smutter

Will Allegiant Be There > Home

Found this site while trying to find more on these two tools.

full of luv

Putting aside the fact that the aircrew didn't read the notams, what is the point in even having dispatchers if they aren't aware of the potential conflicts at a field they are currently dispatching a LATE flight into??

Think of the money they could save if the FAA just allowed them to get rid of dispatchers and make the aircrew responsible for all aspects of every flight. At least the flight crew would know where they stood in the form of back office admin.

full of luv

Amazing website...can't believe some of the stories, everyone raise your hands, who would put their unaccompanied minor on an ALG flight????

Chperplt

Has someone done this yet? If not, how does it get done?

Releasemaster

If you knew how busy a G4 dx using un-integrated systems is and the number of flights they are responsible for you might understand how a flight could be planed for on time and then when the delay happens the lack of time to go back and adjust for a time specific TFR. It's a two way street and a reason the PIC is provided NOTAMS as part of the release. Realisticly the dx options were to pre-emptively add hold fuel for an on time arrival or use joint operational control and let the PIC call to discuss the issue. But in this case the PIC never read the NOTAMS.



dispatchers and make thaircrew responsible for all aspects of every flight. At least the flight crew would know where they stood in the form of back office admin.[/QUOTE]

Chperplt

To be fair, we haven't allowed UM's (other than for company employees) in a while. Any story saying we left a UM or lost a UM would be incorrect. Kids between 15-18 can't even fly without an adult on a flight that is weather advised.

EngFail

The best part of that exchange is when Mr director of safety is asking the controller for the administrator phone number and it’s in the notams that he continues not to reference. When crews are called into vegas to have one of his b.s. safety meetings, he monday quarter backs every aspect of the flight, making every effort to humiliate and bring into question the competency of the crew.

And then on the heels of terminating one of our captains who does what he thought was in the best interest of safety. Absolute hypocrisy.

Sliceback

About 15 minutes prior to landing he says he doesn't have enough gas to go 75 miles to a second airport. He'd already known for some unknown amount of time that FAR was closed.

Brings up some questions -
Why didn't he bingo out when he learned that?
How much gas did he land with?
Did he keep pushing on to FAR and himself into an emergency situation?
Or did he use the threat of an 'emergency', that might have been easily avoidable(?), to land at FAR?

It's only two days ago. The fueler probably remembers the gauge readings.