Allegiant Air
01-09-2016, 12:37 AM
#1171
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"I don't need this," he said. "I don't need the job. It is going to take a crash to get everybody's attention on this baloney. Allegiant has lost control of its product in house. Their maintenance is nothing short of obscene."
http://home.tampabay.com/news/business/airlines/former-allegiant-air-mechanic-says-he-quit-over-obscene-maintenance/2260591
http://home.tampabay.com/news/business/airlines/former-allegiant-air-mechanic-says-he-quit-over-obscene-maintenance/2260591
01-09-2016, 03:00 AM
#1172
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,504
Originally Posted by LavStink
"I don't need this," he said. "I don't need the job. It is going to take a crash to get everybody's attention on this baloney. Allegiant has lost control of its product in house. Their maintenance is nothing short of obscene."
http://home.tampabay.com/news/business/airlines/former-allegiant-air-mechanic-says-he-quit-over-obscene-maintenance/2260591
http://home.tampabay.com/news/business/airlines/former-allegiant-air-mechanic-says-he-quit-over-obscene-maintenance/2260591
01-09-2016, 04:17 AM
#1173
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Off to the left!
Posts: 464
There's nothing really new or earth shattering in that article. It's all things I experienced in my time there. Circuit breakers not pulled according to MEL, MEL's applied that had nothing to do with the actual problem, or just the completely wrong MEL used.
Although my personal favorite MEL was MEL'ing the ART for excessive EGT on takeoff. This had nothing to do with what the problem was, and it made the EGT even hotter. Anyone remember the scale they used to have based on how high the EGT was? I think it was A, B, C, etc., and depending on how high it went you either continued on or had to return. Or the fact they said they would never have the ART on MEL for both engines at the same time, but routinely did? Good times.....
One of the many reasons why I left after almost 10 years.
Although my personal favorite MEL was MEL'ing the ART for excessive EGT on takeoff. This had nothing to do with what the problem was, and it made the EGT even hotter. Anyone remember the scale they used to have based on how high the EGT was? I think it was A, B, C, etc., and depending on how high it went you either continued on or had to return. Or the fact they said they would never have the ART on MEL for both engines at the same time, but routinely did? Good times.....
One of the many reasons why I left after almost 10 years.
01-09-2016, 05:59 AM
#1174
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
Originally Posted by eagleatr
There's nothing really new or earth shattering in that article. It's all things I experienced in my time there. Circuit breakers not pulled according to MEL, MEL's applied that had nothing to do with the actual problem, or just the completely wrong MEL used.
Although my personal favorite MEL was MEL'ing the ART for excessive EGT on takeoff. This had nothing to do with what the problem was, and it made the EGT even hotter. Anyone remember the scale they used to have based on how high the EGT was? I think it was A, B, C, etc., and depending on how high it went you either continued on or had to return. Or the fact they said they would never have the ART on MEL for both engines at the same time, but routinely did? Good times.....
One of the many reasons why I left after almost 10 years.
Although my personal favorite MEL was MEL'ing the ART for excessive EGT on takeoff. This had nothing to do with what the problem was, and it made the EGT even hotter. Anyone remember the scale they used to have based on how high the EGT was? I think it was A, B, C, etc., and depending on how high it went you either continued on or had to return. Or the fact they said they would never have the ART on MEL for both engines at the same time, but routinely did? Good times.....
One of the many reasons why I left after almost 10 years.
01-09-2016, 06:18 AM
#1175
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: MD80
Posts: 188
Originally Posted by eagleatr
There's nothing really new or earth shattering in that article. It's all things I experienced in my time there. Circuit breakers not pulled according to MEL, MEL's applied that had nothing to do with the actual problem, or just the completely wrong MEL used.
Although my personal favorite MEL was MEL'ing the ART for excessive EGT on takeoff. This had nothing to do with what the problem was, and it made the EGT even hotter. Anyone remember the scale they used to have based on how high the EGT was? I think it was A, B, C, etc., and depending on how high it went you either continued on or had to return. Or the fact they said they would never have the ART on MEL for both engines at the same time, but routinely did? Good times.....
One of the many reasons why I left after almost 10 years.
Although my personal favorite MEL was MEL'ing the ART for excessive EGT on takeoff. This had nothing to do with what the problem was, and it made the EGT even hotter. Anyone remember the scale they used to have based on how high the EGT was? I think it was A, B, C, etc., and depending on how high it went you either continued on or had to return. Or the fact they said they would never have the ART on MEL for both engines at the same time, but routinely did? Good times.....
One of the many reasons why I left after almost 10 years.
Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
Yeah, the ART MEL is ridiculous...they went from only one engine on that MEL to putting the MEL twice on a release for a system there was only one of. And if the plane was red stickered, MC control couldn't tell you which engine it was on the program if you asked.
If you think really hard about the engineering behind the ART system and the issues associated with a low EGT margin takeoff, the procedure actually becomes understandable.
In the end, they need to just replace the stinking blades much sooner and stop most of this garbage.
01-09-2016, 06:25 AM
#1176
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Off to the left!
Posts: 464
I know it's an approved procedure, but it's not a solution for what the real problem is: Poor engine overhauls and poor maintenance.
They can save a lot of money that way, at least until the engine fails.
They can save a lot of money that way, at least until the engine fails.
01-09-2016, 06:54 AM
#1177
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
I understand the system, true red line is with the ART off. I get that, but P&W approved or not...doesn't mean I have to agree with it as a solution to get us thru the summer. Like eagleatr said, it's a band aid for a much bigger problem...they don't want to spend the money to have good engines back there.
01-09-2016, 07:21 AM
#1178
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 136
Speaking of greedy, lying dirtbags and making false statements to the public and federal regulators. And willful falsification of maintenance records, lest we forget flight #436 LAS/PIA on August 17, 2015; Contract maintenance forgot to install a ‘cotter pin’ causing a catastrophic failure in the tail assembly.
To which other MD80s were inspected and found with similar rigging issues, but was not properly disclosed contrary to public statements. Enjoy...
To which other MD80s were inspected and found with similar rigging issues, but was not properly disclosed contrary to public statements. Enjoy...
01-09-2016, 08:18 AM
#1179
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: MD80
Posts: 188
Originally Posted by eagleatr
I know it's an approved procedure, but it's not a solution for what the real problem is: Poor engine overhauls and poor maintenance.
They can save a lot of money that way, at least until the engine fails.
They can save a lot of money that way, at least until the engine fails.
Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
I understand the system, true red line is with the ART off. I get that, but P&W approved or not...doesn't mean I have to agree with it as a solution to get us thru the summer. Like eagleatr said, it's a band aid for a much bigger problem...they don't want to spend the money to have good engines back there.
Someone told me that we put our blades through the shop 1 more time than Delta and AA.........and while legal, it's clearly not so smart.
01-09-2016, 09:10 AM
#1180
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
What's weird to me is that the owners of that airline seem to have daily wheel barrels of cash coming in. Why would they want that to stop? There is only one logical conclusion at the rate things are going over there. Why would they want all that money to stop flowing in?
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