Allegiant Air
02-25-2016, 09:19 PM
#1771
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Posts: 550
Funny how there is PSA pilot and a maintenance guy doing the most boo-hooing Allegiant this week.
Things aren't perfect, but the company is making a lot money and can continue to do so even during a future economic crash. Pilot pay is below Delta but still fairly similar to other LCCs. Higher than Atlas on the 767 for example. Plenty of 2-3 year quick upgrades making $150k++. Most G4 pilots live in base and are happy with life. No layovers, no EDCT times, weather isn't much of an issue, no megahubs, airport appreciation sits, or 11pm dinner at the hotel lobby bar.
Of course more money will be great but that will definitely come sooner or later. If you take the quick upgrade you know TDY or VBD is in the cards, if you don't like it, you can be a senior FO in most bases within 12-18 months.
Things aren't perfect, but the company is making a lot money and can continue to do so even during a future economic crash. Pilot pay is below Delta but still fairly similar to other LCCs. Higher than Atlas on the 767 for example. Plenty of 2-3 year quick upgrades making $150k++. Most G4 pilots live in base and are happy with life. No layovers, no EDCT times, weather isn't much of an issue, no megahubs, airport appreciation sits, or 11pm dinner at the hotel lobby bar.
Of course more money will be great but that will definitely come sooner or later. If you take the quick upgrade you know TDY or VBD is in the cards, if you don't like it, you can be a senior FO in most bases within 12-18 months.
02-25-2016, 09:36 PM
#1772
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 926
Originally Posted by FirstClass
As you may or may not know, Republic filed for Ch11 bankruptcy today. Their CEO said this to the employees-
"We have worked for months with our stakeholders to attempt to restructure the obligations of our out-of-favor aircraft and to increase our codeshare revenues; it has increasingly become clear that this process has come to an impasse and that we can no longer afford to waste our valuable resources. Combined with our loss of revenue during the past several quarters and a decline in our liquidity, we could not allow a stalled negotiating effort to put our core business at risk."
With just a few words changed, you literally could say this very same paragraph to the people you are negotiating a new contract with.
"We have worked for months with our stakeholders to attempt to restructure the obligations of our out-of-favor aircraft and to increase our codeshare revenues; it has increasingly become clear that this process has come to an impasse and that we can no longer afford to waste our valuable resources. Combined with our loss of revenue during the past several quarters and a decline in our liquidity, we could not allow a stalled negotiating effort to put our core business at risk."
With just a few words changed, you literally could say this very same paragraph to the people you are negotiating a new contract with.
Allegiant and RJET's business models could not be further apart on the airline spectrum. Allegiant has no codeshare partners and very good revenue and liquidity. It pays for it's own fuel, sells its own tickets and controls its own destiny. The one correlation is that RJET went to war with its pilots and, at least until recently, Allegiant seemed to be doing the same. There is some cautious optimism that things are perhaps changing, but that remains to be seen.
What point, exactly, are you trying to make here?
02-25-2016, 10:12 PM
#1773
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 4,599
Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
Your worthless opinion regarding all things Allegiant has proven once again proven to be just that.
Allegiant and RJET's business models could not be further apart on the airline spectrum. Allegiant has no codeshare partners and very good revenue and liquidity. It pays for it's own fuel, sells its own tickets and controls its own destiny. The one correlation is that RJET went to war with its pilots and, at least until recently, Allegiant seemed to be doing the same. There is some cautious optimism that things are perhaps changing, but that remains to be seen.
What point, exactly, are you trying to make here?
Allegiant and RJET's business models could not be further apart on the airline spectrum. Allegiant has no codeshare partners and very good revenue and liquidity. It pays for it's own fuel, sells its own tickets and controls its own destiny. The one correlation is that RJET went to war with its pilots and, at least until recently, Allegiant seemed to be doing the same. There is some cautious optimism that things are perhaps changing, but that remains to be seen.
What point, exactly, are you trying to make here?
02-25-2016, 11:12 PM
#1774
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: on the bench
Posts: 157
Originally Posted by 9easy
Funny how there is PSA pilot and a maintenance guy doing the most boo-hooing Allegiant this week.
Things aren't perfect, but the company is making a lot money and can continue to do so even during a future economic crash. Pilot pay is below Delta but still fairly similar to other LCCs. Higher than Atlas on the 767 for example. Plenty of 2-3 year quick upgrades making $150k++. Most G4 pilots live in base and are happy with life. No layovers, no EDCT times, weather isn't much of an issue, no megahubs, airport appreciation sits, or 11pm dinner at the hotel lobby bar.
Of course more money will be great but that will definitely come sooner or later. If you take the quick upgrade you know TDY or VBD is in the cards, if you don't like it, you can be a senior FO in most bases within 12-18 months.
Things aren't perfect, but the company is making a lot money and can continue to do so even during a future economic crash. Pilot pay is below Delta but still fairly similar to other LCCs. Higher than Atlas on the 767 for example. Plenty of 2-3 year quick upgrades making $150k++. Most G4 pilots live in base and are happy with life. No layovers, no EDCT times, weather isn't much of an issue, no megahubs, airport appreciation sits, or 11pm dinner at the hotel lobby bar.
Of course more money will be great but that will definitely come sooner or later. If you take the quick upgrade you know TDY or VBD is in the cards, if you don't like it, you can be a senior FO in most bases within 12-18 months.
This is just an opinion, like everyone else. Let's not let the "I work here so I have to defend the place" emotion rule the day.
And an economic crash is not the kind of crash some worry about with the maint history this company has.
Last edited by rokgpsman; 02-25-2016 at 11:36 PM.
02-26-2016, 03:17 AM
#1775
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
Your worthless opinion regarding all things Allegiant has proven once again proven to be just that.
Allegiant and RJET's business models could not be further apart on the airline spectrum. Allegiant has no codeshare partners and very good revenue and liquidity. It pays for it's own fuel, sells its own tickets and controls its own destiny. The one correlation is that RJET went to war with its pilots and, at least until recently, Allegiant seemed to be doing the same. There is some cautious optimism that things are perhaps changing, but that remains to be seen.
What point, exactly, are you trying to make here?
Allegiant and RJET's business models could not be further apart on the airline spectrum. Allegiant has no codeshare partners and very good revenue and liquidity. It pays for it's own fuel, sells its own tickets and controls its own destiny. The one correlation is that RJET went to war with its pilots and, at least until recently, Allegiant seemed to be doing the same. There is some cautious optimism that things are perhaps changing, but that remains to be seen.
What point, exactly, are you trying to make here?
02-26-2016, 03:30 AM
#1776
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by 9easy
Funny how there is PSA pilot and a maintenance guy doing the most boo-hooing Allegiant this week.
Things aren't perfect, but the company is making a lot money and can continue to do so even during a future economic crash. Pilot pay is below Delta but still fairly similar to other LCCs. Higher than Atlas on the 767 for example. Plenty of 2-3 year quick upgrades making $150k++. Most G4 pilots live in base and are happy with life. No layovers, no EDCT times, weather isn't much of an issue, no megahubs, airport appreciation sits, or 11pm dinner at the hotel lobby bar.
Of course more money will be great but that will definitely come sooner or later. If you take the quick upgrade you know TDY or VBD is in the cards, if you don't like it, you can be a senior FO in most bases within 12-18 months.
Things aren't perfect, but the company is making a lot money and can continue to do so even during a future economic crash. Pilot pay is below Delta but still fairly similar to other LCCs. Higher than Atlas on the 767 for example. Plenty of 2-3 year quick upgrades making $150k++. Most G4 pilots live in base and are happy with life. No layovers, no EDCT times, weather isn't much of an issue, no megahubs, airport appreciation sits, or 11pm dinner at the hotel lobby bar.
Of course more money will be great but that will definitely come sooner or later. If you take the quick upgrade you know TDY or VBD is in the cards, if you don't like it, you can be a senior FO in most bases within 12-18 months.
02-26-2016, 05:47 AM
#1778
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 926
Originally Posted by FirstClass
Obviously you have been drinking again. I hope you are not flying this morning with that kind of drunken stuper. You totally missed the point. Nobody is comparing allegiant and RJET business model dummy. Re-read the post. I hope you don't fly the airbus because its important to know what the airplane is telling you.
The only way I'd ever need to re-read one of your posts is if I need a good laugh. Your constant trolling on this thread is getting old and getting "preached to" by a PSA pilot is not something that any Allegiant pilot needs. Your conclusions are sophomoric at best and your tone is insulting.
Go back and play with the kids.
02-26-2016, 06:38 AM
#1779
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Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
Just because I've pointed out that your conclusions make no sense and the similarities between RJET and Allegiant that you seemed to pull out of thin air are little more than fantasy doesn't indicate a problem with my reading comprehension and is no need to you to get snotty....but I'm always happy to respond in kind.
The only way I'd ever need to re-read one of your posts is if I need a good laugh. Your constant trolling on this thread is getting old and getting "preached to" by a PSA pilot is not something that any Allegiant pilot needs. Your conclusions are sophomoric at best and your tone is insulting.
Go back and play with the kids.
The only way I'd ever need to re-read one of your posts is if I need a good laugh. Your constant trolling on this thread is getting old and getting "preached to" by a PSA pilot is not something that any Allegiant pilot needs. Your conclusions are sophomoric at best and your tone is insulting.
Go back and play with the kids.
02-26-2016, 06:56 AM
#1780
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
Originally Posted by FirstClass
It sounds terrific, it really does. But its going to end. Study the mathematics of what's coming. Six years from today more major airline pilots will have retired than there are regional pilots to replace them with, ie about 18,000. If I was you guys, I would try and switch to alpa so your seniority can be properly integrated. That's what frontier just did, they see the writing on the wall, they will be merged in with spirit. The LCC consolidation hasn't even started yet. Watch for training contracts at LCC's. What's your attrition rate at Allegiant right now?
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