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Old 06-12-2018 | 03:20 PM
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You don't even know the details, if true I'm sure there's good reason.

Maybe we are able to negotiate gains in areas. Who cares how long our contract is valid for as long as we continue to amend and improve it? Small base hits are better than a long, protracted negotiating time line.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 03:24 PM
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Dude, you’ve crossed the line into delusional territory. Do you just make this crap up or are you really that brainwashed by your PHL/Clt reps?

Not only will ACD be implemented, it will also improve our schedules and result in us having industry leading trip and duty rigs.

You need to stop listening to certain reps with agendas that have nothing to do with facts....and maybe start thanking Dan and those hard working APA volunteers who brought you these improvements.

Back to the OP topic. So, if we get industry leading hotel language, profit sharing, LTD and STD fixes, for a two year extension, I’d say it would pass in a New Jersey minute.

We need MINIMUM CALENDAR DAY, not ACD. Who the hell negotiated this.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic
We need MINIMUM CALENDAR DAY, not ACD. Who the hell negotiated this.
From my understanding they did put that in but APA nixed it saying it would have a detrimental impact to schedules.

An example to the above schedule has you getting back in the early AM on day 5, hardly a "work day", yet still pays like a five day.

The alternative is what SWA has which is high productive trips but lots of legs added to fill out their schedule. Instead of finishing say at 10am on the last day they finish in the evening after doing tag leg turns.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 03:41 PM
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So APA can predict the Optimizer, OK.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 03:50 PM
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So APA can predict the Optimizer, OK.


Actually, they can. They work with the company to run scheduling models of what different scenarios look like. Both APA and AA are fully aware of what our schedules will look like when ACD is implemented.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 03:58 PM
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You guys are wearing me out. ACD is settled. There is no use debating it anymore. We can comeback and complain about 5 day trips and lack of high time day trips in a year or two. I’ll start...... This is fAAtiguing..... Worst schedules I’ve ever seen at AA..... How can we let them get away with this...... I’m applying to DL, UA, SW..... informational picketing now...... let’s take out an ad in USA Today...... am I missing anything?
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Old 06-12-2018 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AUpilot1
Actually, they can. They work with the company to run scheduling models of what different scenarios look like. Both APA and AA are fully aware of what our schedules will look like when ACD is implemented.
So, how much better or worse are they after ACD is implemented? I missed that memo. I did see speculation but that's all is was, nothing definite.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic
We need MINIMUM CALENDAR DAY, not ACD. Who the hell negotiated this.


Obviously MCD is superior to ACD. But ACD is better than what we had before.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 04:08 PM
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So, how much better or worse are they after ACD is implemented? I missed that memo. I did see speculation but that's all is was, nothing definite.
Did you not read a single post of his? He has outlined his theory very thoroughly over the last three pages, complete with examples.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
Did you not read a single post of his? He has outlined his theory very thoroughly over the last three pages, complete with examples.
No, he actually replied to one of my post, which was me replying to a post, before his example posts.

I will read his post.
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