2 year contract extension?
06-12-2018 | 09:43 AM
#51
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He is a 190 captain I’m just giving him a hard time. I was former pinnacle. Pre bankruptcy it was 4 hours a day. Think it was min day and not average but don’t remember. Contract got gutted in bankruptcy after I left.
06-12-2018 | 10:24 AM
#52
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Oh, just an FYI if you want to take a look. Pull up your monthly bid pack and it has a chart with the average credit per day for each fleet in every base. You will see that our average is already above 5:15. Like I said before, 90% of our pilots will see no benefit to ACD abs will probably lose some QOL. Not sure that it’s worth it.
Consider a 3 day that currently pays 11 hours or so. That 3 day trip has 2 duty periods. 11 hours paid out over 2 duty periods averages 5:30 credit per duty period. So that company chart you are referencing would say that trip averages 5:30 and you would be happy. But it is 11 hours of credit over 3 calendar days. That is how you end up with 10 day off lines paying <80 hours. This is very different from an Average Credit Day of 5:15. With an ACD of 5:15 that same 3 day trip would be worth 15:45.
Just open up your bid package and see how many 2 days pay less than 10:30, 3 days < 15:45, and 4 days <21:00. It's pretty common throughout the system.
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06-12-2018 | 10:28 AM
#53
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06-12-2018 | 10:45 AM
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Most will straight tell you that they don’t give a crap about the future because they have had a rough career.
Points for honesty. Points subtracted for being self-serving turds.
Parker knows the game will change when most of these guys retire.
06-12-2018 | 10:52 AM
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If you are looking in the bid packages for the average credit, realize those numbers may say daily average credit but they are really average credit per duty period.
Slash trips that now pay 11 hours over 3 days show up as 5:30 in AA's bid package calculations but really they are worth 3:40 per day. ACD will make these trips 15:45 for a real 5:15 average per day.
Good try with your argument though, but you problem is you relied on company produced numbers.
Slash trips that now pay 11 hours over 3 days show up as 5:30 in AA's bid package calculations but really they are worth 3:40 per day. ACD will make these trips 15:45 for a real 5:15 average per day.
Good try with your argument though, but you problem is you relied on company produced numbers.
Down in flames...
06-12-2018 | 11:09 AM
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He knows a LOT of our apathetic pilots would vote “yes” on anything because they retire soon.
Most will straight tell you that they don’t give a crap about the future because they have had a rough career.
Points for honesty. Points subtracted for being self-serving turds.
Most will straight tell you that they don’t give a crap about the future because they have had a rough career.
Points for honesty. Points subtracted for being self-serving turds.
06-12-2018 | 11:16 AM
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I’m 45% in CLT and bid reserve except during summer season. I get a lot of them. Don’t forget this is also two extra days off they can’t use reserves on. You can and will get used all 18 days sometimes and not to over the 85 hr limit.
Edited to add that once you’re senior enough to hold weekends off, you start flying slash trips or four days worth 17-19 hours again. Usually good trips to trade out of ....... on the weekends.
But hey, just the bottom 10% right? It will change my schedule on reserve and a lineholder.
Edited to add that once you’re senior enough to hold weekends off, you start flying slash trips or four days worth 17-19 hours again. Usually good trips to trade out of ....... on the weekends.
But hey, just the bottom 10% right? It will change my schedule on reserve and a lineholder.
As a guy who bids reserve half the year myself, you are full of it! I don’t for one second believe you are flying 18 days. If you are, scheduling has it in for you. I’m way jr to you and 8-12 days working per month is pretty avg. heck, last NOV and DEC I flew 4. If you are flying 18 days on reserve, you are getting hosed and should definitely bid a line that will pay you more.
I get it, you want your cake and eat it too. You aren’t senior enough to hold weekends off on the award, so you bid reserve. I don’t have a problem with that. You do get stuck with all the slash trips on reserve because people trade out of them. I personally like them if I’m on reserve. It’s nice sitting and getting paid while on a nice layover. In my time here I have broken guarantee on reserve once, maybe twice. Reserves on our fleet just really aren’t used that much and I think you know that.
Look, if you want 5:15ACD so you can bid weekends off, that’s cool. But just know that you will be senior someday and you will be working 16 days for 84hrs. I thought a pilots dream was to always be as productive as possible and get 18-21 days off. I know that’s my goal, maybe it’s not yours.
It’s no use arguing anymore. 5:15 ACD is already a done deal. We are waisting our breath. Can’t wait to fly those 5 day trips for 5:15 per day!!
06-12-2018 | 11:21 AM
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That was just an easy reference that I thought everyone would have access too. If you would like you can pull a bid pack and crunch the numbers yourself. I picked a random Thursday this month in my category..... 12% slash trips for the day. You could research it yourself, but it really doesn’t matter. ACD is the law of the land. Enjoy!
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