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Old 06-12-2018 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic
So, how much better or worse are they after ACD is implemented? I missed that memo. I did see speculation but that's all is was, nothing definite.


I’ll give you one absolute fact right from the Director of Manpower Plannings (CM) mouth on a recent pilot conference call. “We will have a significant number of 5 day trips. Anywhere from 10% to 20%. The percentage will vary month to month and category to category.”
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Old 06-12-2018 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
Obviously MCD is superior to ACD. But ACD is better than what we had before.
Don't we want industry leading, not industry compliant?
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Old 06-12-2018 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AUpilot1
I’ll give you one absolute fact right from the Director of Manpower Plannings (CM) mouth on a recent pilot conference call. “We will have a significant number of 5 day trips. Anywhere from 10% to 20%. The percentage will vary month to month and category to category.”
You are scaring me away from NB flying

I like 3 day trips.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic
Don't we want industry leading, not industry compliant?


Of course we do. But with our limited leverage from the Christmas issue ACD was a significant gain.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 05:41 PM
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Considering AA margin is horrible, there is a huge probability that when the next recession hits in 2019/20 AA will declare bankruptcy again. This whole thing is kinda moot.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GreatStory
Considering AA margin is horrible, there is a huge probability that when the next recession hits in 2019/20 AA will declare bankruptcy again. This whole thing is kinda moot.
Are you serious? 9% margins in the airline business are historically excellent. DAL and UAL are facing major capital expenditures as fleet renewals becomes a requirement. AAs debt is largely a function of having the youngest fleet in the industry.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AUpilot1
I’ll give you one absolute fact right from the Director of Manpower Plannings (CM) mouth on a recent pilot conference call. “We will have a significant number of 5 day trips. Anywhere from 10% to 20%. The percentage will vary month to month and category to category.”

Earlier you stated that 3 day slash trips paying 11 hours were statistically insignificant since they represented only 10%+- of all trips. So you shouldn’t be worried about the 5 day trips. You already stated 10% is irrelevant. But now that undesirable trip will at least average 5:15 per calendar day instead of 3:30. Using your own logic this is a win. The junior guys will get the 5 day trips (least desirable 10% of pairings) instead of the 3 day slash trips and they will hit 80 hours of credit in 15 days instead of 20.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Laker24
Earlier you stated that 3 day slash trips paying 11 hours were statistically insignificant since they represented only 10%+- of all trips. So you shouldn’t be worried about the 5 day trips. You already stated 10% is irrelevant. But now that undesirable trip will at least average 5:15 per calendar day instead of 3:30. Using your own logic this is a win. The junior guys will get the 5 day trips (least desirable 10% of pairings) instead of the 3 day slash trips and they will hit 80 hours of credit in 15 days instead of 20.
Well played. Very well played!
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Old 06-12-2018 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Laker24
Earlier you stated that 3 day slash trips paying 11 hours were statistically insignificant since they represented only 10%+- of all trips. So you shouldn’t be worried about the 5 day trips. You already stated 10% is irrelevant. But now that undesirable trip will at least average 5:15 per calendar day instead of 3:30. Using your own logic this is a win. The junior guys will get the 5 day trips (least desirable 10% of pairings) instead of the 3 day slash trips and they will hit 80 hours of credit in 15 days instead of 20.
If 5-days make up 10-20% of the pairings (let's call it 10% for simplicity) and red-eyes (basically a 2.5-day) make up 10% of the pairings then there is twice as much flying (block hours/pay/work days) contained within 5-days!!

If we go from 10% red-eye pairings to 20% 5-days that's over 4 times as much flying contained within 5-day trips as their was in red-eyes!

It's like the Pro-APA Pro-Carey camp not only doesn't understand what's in other airline contracts but doesn't understand basic scheduling math as well.
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Old 06-12-2018 | 07:28 PM
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I’m sorry that makes no sense. I think you have been infected by the CLT frear uncertainty and doubt
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