2 year contract extension?
06-12-2018 | 07:58 PM
#91
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If 5-days make up 10-20% of the pairings (let's call it 10% for simplicity) and red-eyes (basically a 2.5-day) make up 10% of the pairings then there is twice as much flying (block hours/pay/work days) contained within 5-days!!
If we go from 10% red-eye pairings to 20% 5-days that's over 4 times as much flying contained within 5-day trips as their was in red-eyes!
It's like the Pro-APA Pro-Carey camp not only doesn't understand what's in other airline contracts but doesn't understand basic scheduling math as well.
If we go from 10% red-eye pairings to 20% 5-days that's over 4 times as much flying contained within 5-day trips as their was in red-eyes!
It's like the Pro-APA Pro-Carey camp not only doesn't understand what's in other airline contracts but doesn't understand basic scheduling math as well.
06-12-2018 | 08:00 PM
#92
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From: Airbus button pusher
If 5-days make up 10-20% of the pairings (let's call it 10% for simplicity) and red-eyes (basically a 2.5-day) make up 10% of the pairings then there is twice as much flying (block hours/pay/work days) contained within 5-days!!
If we go from 10% red-eye pairings to 20% 5-days that's over 4 times as much flying contained within 5-day trips as their was in red-eyes!
It's like the Pro-APA Pro-Carey camp not only doesn't understand what's in other airline contracts but doesn't understand basic scheduling math as well.
If we go from 10% red-eye pairings to 20% 5-days that's over 4 times as much flying contained within 5-day trips as their was in red-eyes!
It's like the Pro-APA Pro-Carey camp not only doesn't understand what's in other airline contracts but doesn't understand basic scheduling math as well.
Time to put the crackpipe down son.
06-12-2018 | 08:05 PM
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If/when there’s a major recession there may be a few years where AA makes very little to no money or even loses some money.
How many years has AA lost money since deregulation? I don’t know but I’m guessing at least 10. How many times have they filed bankruptcy? Once in 2011.
Your statement is pretty dramatic.
06-12-2018 | 08:05 PM
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If 5-days make up 10-20% of the pairings (let's call it 10% for simplicity) and red-eyes (basically a 2.5-day) make up 10% of the pairings then there is twice as much flying (block hours/pay/work days) contained within 5-days!!
If we go from 10% red-eye pairings to 20% 5-days that's over 4 times as much flying contained within 5-day trips as their was in red-eyes!
It's like the Pro-APA Pro-Carey camp not only doesn't understand what's in other airline contracts but doesn't understand basic scheduling math as well.
If we go from 10% red-eye pairings to 20% 5-days that's over 4 times as much flying contained within 5-day trips as their was in red-eyes!
It's like the Pro-APA Pro-Carey camp not only doesn't understand what's in other airline contracts but doesn't understand basic scheduling math as well.
You lost me when you started making stuff up.
06-12-2018 | 08:39 PM
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If/when there’s a major recession there may be a few years where AA makes very little to no money or even loses some money.
How many years has AA lost money since deregulation? I don’t know but I’m guessing at least 10. How many times have they filed bankruptcy? Once in 2011.
Your statement is pretty dramatic.
How many years has AA lost money since deregulation? I don’t know but I’m guessing at least 10. How many times have they filed bankruptcy? Once in 2011.
Your statement is pretty dramatic.
add them up 3 or is it 4 times?
It is by far the worst run airline in the USofA. AA is run like the DMV. Unfortunately all minimal gains will be lost in 2021 in bankruptcy. Do your research on this turd boys.
Last edited by GreatStory; 06-12-2018 at 09:00 PM.
06-12-2018 | 11:52 PM
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2 year contract extension?
Really, I’m getting worn out with all this. Especially since it’s a done deal anyway. If you don’t believe me about the 5 day trips, or believe what AA’s own manager of manpower planning says, that’s fine. I guess we will just all wait and see. I’m out of this thread.
06-12-2018 | 11:55 PM
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You don't understand the difference between pairings and block hours? If 50% of the pairings are daytrips and the other 50% are 4-days, how many pilots can fill their months flying
with nothing but daytrips? It's not half, it's a fifth.
That's why 10-20% 5-day trips, if true, would be a much bigger deal than the numbers suggest. ...And sorry for projecting my growing Dan Carey-disgust onto you good folks :-)
with nothing but daytrips? It's not half, it's a fifth.
That's why 10-20% 5-day trips, if true, would be a much bigger deal than the numbers suggest. ...And sorry for projecting my growing Dan Carey-disgust onto you good folks :-)
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06-13-2018 | 12:10 AM
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The old USAir was basically a north south East coast regional airline with a few transcons and a few international trips thrown into the mix. Their route structure was doomed to failure - multiple times.
Also, qualify your statement that they AA “is by far the worst run airline in the USofA.” Don’t just make up stuff. Prove it. Qualify your statements. Otherwise they’re just hyperbole.
At the time of this post, 4 of your 7 posts on APC have mentioned bankruptcy for AAL as soon as a hiccup hits in our economy. It’s quite obvious you have an axe to grind with AAL and you seem to gloat at what you feel will be their soon to be demise.
Don’t hold your breath, or you’ll suffocate waiting.
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06-13-2018 | 04:40 AM
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I currently do 6 day blocks. Sometimes 7. Back to back trans con red eyes are worth about 24 hours. A five day will be worth 25.15. One less day with more pay. ACD will benefit more pilots than some people think. It’s not perfect and 5 day trips are not palatable for all but I would love to do them.
Bankruptcy talk is nonsense. Mr. Parker is running this place better than I have ever seen. Once again not perfect but compared to the clowns before him. Not even close.
We have major problems that need to be fixed. Both contract and operations. It is so much better than 4 years ago. Hard to believe but this contract kicks our previous contracts asses all the way back to 2003 or even further. Improvements take time. We have got some outside section six. I don’t know if Dan Carey has anything to do with it. I don’t like his abuse of union money. Did not vote for him first time and will not next time.
Bankruptcy talk is nonsense. Mr. Parker is running this place better than I have ever seen. Once again not perfect but compared to the clowns before him. Not even close.
We have major problems that need to be fixed. Both contract and operations. It is so much better than 4 years ago. Hard to believe but this contract kicks our previous contracts asses all the way back to 2003 or even further. Improvements take time. We have got some outside section six. I don’t know if Dan Carey has anything to do with it. I don’t like his abuse of union money. Did not vote for him first time and will not next time.
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