2 year contract extension?
06-12-2018, 06:14 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Saabs
I don’t think you get it. Senior guys will still have senior trips. It’s not just slash trips. Lots of 18-19 hour four days out there as well.
Look at other airlines. United EWR 737 Has about 50% 4 days, little to no 5 days, turns for senior guys, and two days and three days. Many 4 days worth 25+. At AA the majority seem to be 20-22 hours right now without the rig.
I live in base and am fine with 4-5 day trips as long as I fly my butt off.
I recommend you read AW posts on his research in CNR.
Look at other airlines. United EWR 737 Has about 50% 4 days, little to no 5 days, turns for senior guys, and two days and three days. Many 4 days worth 25+. At AA the majority seem to be 20-22 hours right now without the rig.
I live in base and am fine with 4-5 day trips as long as I fly my butt off.
I recommend you read AW posts on his research in CNR.
I personally know a UAL 777 Capt (ex CAL) who did 9 hr day trips out of EWR. As soon as they merged with UAL and they got 5hr ACD they went away. He was so ****ed that everyone was so concerned about getting exactly 5hrs per day. The only way he could keep his QOL was going from the 737 to the 777. He had no interest in flying the 777.
I’ll bet ya that those 5 day trips will pay exactly 26:15. I guess we will see. If you ask APA or the company.... I they will both tell you we are going to have around 20% 5 day trips in some categories. I don’t know why you are so hell bent on fixing a problem that isn’t really a problem for 90% of our pilots.
06-12-2018, 07:00 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by AUpilot1
I personally know a UAL 777 Capt (ex CAL) who did 9 hr day trips out of EWR. As soon as they merged with UAL and they got 5hr ACD they went away. He was so ****ed that everyone was so concerned about getting exactly 5hrs per day. The only way he could keep his QOL was going from the 737 to the 777. He had no interest in flying the 777.
I’ll bet ya that those 5 day trips will pay exactly 26:15. I guess we will see. If you ask APA or the company.... I they will both tell you we are going to have around 20% 5 day trips in some categories. I don’t know why you are so hell bent on fixing a problem that isn’t really a problem for 90% of our pilots.
I’ll bet ya that those 5 day trips will pay exactly 26:15. I guess we will see. If you ask APA or the company.... I they will both tell you we are going to have around 20% 5 day trips in some categories. I don’t know why you are so hell bent on fixing a problem that isn’t really a problem for 90% of our pilots.
I literally can’t even with people who say ACD is a bad thing, lolz. If route66 is on your side you know you need to rethink your position.
06-12-2018, 07:03 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by JetMonkey
I don't buy it... seems like people are just wanting to stir $hit up. Parker would have to pony up a TON in order to get this pushed through. I'm talking like Delta profit sharing, raises all across the board and some rig fixes.
There's just too many bad language and work rules that are totally screwed on the joint contract. We had many good items that were just given away. I sit long call reserve and the ability for scheduling to convert us to short call up to 5 times per month is just utter bull$hit! Too many items like that make this hard for me to believe.
There's just too many bad language and work rules that are totally screwed on the joint contract. We had many good items that were just given away. I sit long call reserve and the ability for scheduling to convert us to short call up to 5 times per month is just utter bull$hit! Too many items like that make this hard for me to believe.
I agree the long to short conversions suck. But that’s the same thing we had at airways where you could be converted 5 times a month.
Biggest issue with long call now is how they can assign you a new sequence that starts 12 hours after block in from your current sequence. It should go back to the old way where when you blocked in you had 12 hours off then had a 12 hour callout.
Also, why’s everyone so quick to say new to an extension? It’s literally a rumor with no facts and lots of people are screaming no. We don’t even have one detail so how can you make up your mind?!
06-12-2018, 07:23 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
I agree the long to short conversions suck. But that’s the same thing we had at airways where you could be converted 5 times a month.
Biggest issue with long call now is how they can assign you a new sequence that starts 12 hours after block in from your current sequence. It should go back to the old way where when you blocked in you had 12 hours off then had a 12 hour callout.
Also, why’s everyone so quick to say new to an extension? It’s literally a rumor with no facts and lots of people are screaming no. We don’t even have one detail so how can you make up your mind?!
Biggest issue with long call now is how they can assign you a new sequence that starts 12 hours after block in from your current sequence. It should go back to the old way where when you blocked in you had 12 hours off then had a 12 hour callout.
Also, why’s everyone so quick to say new to an extension? It’s literally a rumor with no facts and lots of people are screaming no. We don’t even have one detail so how can you make up your mind?!
Also LUS had an unlimited number of conversations to short call with zero increase in pay IIRC. The 30 mins/5 max was a JCBA thing, wasn't it?
People forget that there were a lot of crappy things in both contracts that the JCBA did a pretty good job fixing.
06-12-2018, 07:28 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by AUpilot1
I personally know a UAL 777 Capt (ex CAL) who did 9 hr day trips out of EWR. As soon as they merged with UAL and they got 5hr ACD they went away. He was so ****ed that everyone was so concerned about getting exactly 5hrs per day. The only way he could keep his QOL was going from the 737 to the 777. He had no interest in flying the 777.
I’ll bet ya that those 5 day trips will pay exactly 26:15. I guess we will see. If you ask APA or the company.... I they will both tell you we are going to have around 20% 5 day trips in some categories. I don’t know why you are so hell bent on fixing a problem that isn’t really a problem for 90% of our pilots.
I’ll bet ya that those 5 day trips will pay exactly 26:15. I guess we will see. If you ask APA or the company.... I they will both tell you we are going to have around 20% 5 day trips in some categories. I don’t know why you are so hell bent on fixing a problem that isn’t really a problem for 90% of our pilots.
I am unsure about the five day trips. Personally four days to me is long.
I have to wonder if we took all rigs out of the system and just set a minimum number of days off if that would help. Sometimes forcing one thing has consequences on another. Maybe instead of an hourly rate we go to a daily rate regardless of block time. I dunno. The most important thing is variety because not every one wants the same things.
06-12-2018, 07:29 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by Name User
LUS was 8 hours rest then 10 hour callout then it went to 10 hour rest 12 hour callout with 117 and the JCBA...but keep in mind that also came with sequence protection for line holders which was probably worth a lot more (plus double the pay).
Also LUS had an unlimited number of conversations to short call with zero increase in pay IIRC. The 30 mins/5 max was a JCBA thing, wasn't it?
People forget that there were a lot of crappy things in both contracts that the JCBA did a pretty good job fixing.
Also LUS had an unlimited number of conversations to short call with zero increase in pay IIRC. The 30 mins/5 max was a JCBA thing, wasn't it?
People forget that there were a lot of crappy things in both contracts that the JCBA did a pretty good job fixing.
I’d have to go back and look but I’m almost positive they could only transition you 5 times. That’s way too many transitions anyway. Should be 2-3 max.
I totally agree about the LUS contract and that’s the point i was trying to make. Yea a few things were better under LOL93 but the JCBA is a 100% improvement. People who disagree with that aren’t living in reality.
06-12-2018, 07:53 AM
#37
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Over 90% of our pilots get greater than 5:15 ACD already. Why would a pilot who is not in the bottom 10% need ACD?
"Let 'em eat cake..."
It isn't "the bottom 10% ".... First obvious logical fallacy.
It is spread widely throughout the seniority list in a large number of the 100+ individual bid status'.
No reason to be concerned with any one else, just so long as they don't mess with your pie, huh?
"Let 'em eat cake..."
It isn't "the bottom 10% ".... First obvious logical fallacy.
It is spread widely throughout the seniority list in a large number of the 100+ individual bid status'.
No reason to be concerned with any one else, just so long as they don't mess with your pie, huh?
06-12-2018, 07:55 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by Frip
Over 90% of our pilots get greater than 5:15 ACD already. Why would a pilot who is not in the bottom 10% need ACD?
"Let 'em eat cake..."
It isn't "the bottom 10% ".... First obvious logical fallacy.
It is spread widely throughout the seniority list in a large number of the 100+ individual bid status'.
No reason to be concerned with any one else, just so long as they don't mess with your pie, huh?
"Let 'em eat cake..."
It isn't "the bottom 10% ".... First obvious logical fallacy.
It is spread widely throughout the seniority list in a large number of the 100+ individual bid status'.
No reason to be concerned with any one else, just so long as they don't mess with your pie, huh?
Exactly. Remember last month when everyone was complaining about their 20 day lines worth 78 hours?
Saying only reserves fly slash trip is asinine.
06-12-2018, 08:22 AM
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We all have buddies at United swa and delta to name a few. Grass is always greener is definitely somewhat true.
Overall they have better schedules than us across the board on narrowbody. I’ll take ACD any day over what we have. Obviously swa doesn’t have ACD Before someone points that out.
Overall they have better schedules than us across the board on narrowbody. I’ll take ACD any day over what we have. Obviously swa doesn’t have ACD Before someone points that out.
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