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11-23-2014 | 03:24 PM
#941
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From: A320 Capt
Why are you guys responding to this obvious poser? He is playing rope a dope while the company is pulling $4B a year and asking for concessions.
A poser shows up this month and you guys are roped in, while the company makes $4B, and is demanding concessions.
Get back on track. Now.
A poser shows up this month and you guys are roped in, while the company makes $4B, and is demanding concessions.
Get back on track. Now.
I generally agree with your posts, but it's time to call you out. Your posts are almost as vague as captain transplant. Time to man up and say what YOU think would be a good agreement and worthy of our yes vote. How far are you willing to go to give up the new hire pay, since it's all about the group.
I'm kind of hoping we hold out for the very best outcome possible. We will finally see what a no vote brings. We know Glass played us on loa 93(I'm the only one that voted Yes on it), but we are still here to talk about it. There is no fear of that now, not a huge downside to standing our ground. Let's do it.
11-23-2014 | 03:54 PM
#942
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You really don't know who he is? Think about it. No poser, just pointing out what has already been done. Don't agree with him on everything, but see his point on this one.
I generally agree with your posts, but it's time to call you out. Your posts are almost as vague as captain transplant. Time to man up and say what YOU think would be a good agreement and worthy of our yes vote. How far are you willing to go to give up the new hire pay, since it's all about the group.
I'm kind of hoping we hold out for the very best outcome possible. We will finally see what a no vote brings. We know Glass played us on loa 93(I'm the only one that voted Yes on it), but we are still here to talk about it. There is no fear of that now, not a huge downside to standing our ground. Let's do it.
I generally agree with your posts, but it's time to call you out. Your posts are almost as vague as captain transplant. Time to man up and say what YOU think would be a good agreement and worthy of our yes vote. How far are you willing to go to give up the new hire pay, since it's all about the group.
I'm kind of hoping we hold out for the very best outcome possible. We will finally see what a no vote brings. We know Glass played us on loa 93(I'm the only one that voted Yes on it), but we are still here to talk about it. There is no fear of that now, not a huge downside to standing our ground. Let's do it.
The MOU is fine by me. We voted over 75% for it. Is it not good enough now?
Not all of us are desperately concerned about how to qualify for a $500,000 mortgage (like the ORD blaster).
$4B in profits and folks want to argue about the value of concessions. Unbelievable. When they get to my yes vote I'll let the BOD know, until then **** happens, the sun goes up, the sun goes down.
11-23-2014 | 04:13 PM
#944
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From: A320 Capt
The MOU is fine by me. We voted over 75% for it. Is it not good enough now?
Not all of us are desperately concerned about how to qualify for a $500,000 mortgage (like the ORD blaster).
$4B in profits and folks want to argue about the value of concessions. Unbelievable. When they get to my yes vote I'll let the BOD know, until then **** happens, the sun goes up, the sun goes down.
Not all of us are desperately concerned about how to qualify for a $500,000 mortgage (like the ORD blaster).
$4B in profits and folks want to argue about the value of concessions. Unbelievable. When they get to my yes vote I'll let the BOD know, until then **** happens, the sun goes up, the sun goes down.
That's not an answer. I'm not asking the ORD guy, I want your opinion.
11-23-2014 | 04:26 PM
#945
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I'll share this opinion. The DFW rep is spot on, and I suspect his understanding of the situation isn't influenced by a large debt for his house.
11-23-2014 | 04:26 PM
#946
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The ORD update by Todd was very reasonable. We are not in section 6 negotiations. Cost neutral arbitration will limit our leverage going forward as we have little negotiating capital aside from managements desire to avoid arbitration. However, they have a cost analysis threshold on the cost benefit of negotiation vs arbitration
Management's offer would be more palatable if we could drop the healthcare excise, 1 year contract extension, and HBT exemption (or make HBT waiver a case by case option at individual pilot discretion).
The reserve call out, e period sim for bounces only, combined Dom/int'l divisions, and quarterly bid runs are not big losses.
Exactly. 401ks are a capital control that lock money into the U.S. and particularly into Wall Street. 401ks pump money into markets so that they can later pop and be re-flatted by more 401k investment.
Management's offer would be more palatable if we could drop the healthcare excise, 1 year contract extension, and HBT exemption (or make HBT waiver a case by case option at individual pilot discretion).
The reserve call out, e period sim for bounces only, combined Dom/int'l divisions, and quarterly bid runs are not big losses.
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
You might want to realize that the text book version of how a corporate BOD is supposed to work and how it actually does are two completely different things. I recommend John Bogle's book, Battle for the Soul of Capitalism, as a start. In it he explains how mutual funds control over 60% of shares of public companies and how they completely fail in their fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders. Who do you think submits the slate of directors at the annual shareholder meeting that is rubber stamped by the institutional investors? Management does. So in essence the CEOs hire their own BOD. Why do you think almost all public corporations incorporate in Delaware?
Such naivety would be charming if it wasn't so dangerous to our futures. Thankfully, the leaders of the APA and their counsel are under no such delusions.
If you want to get to the root of the issue it really is about the tax system in the US that takes our money from us in the form of retirement contributions that go into the capitalist system you talk of and funds it without the option for you to put it in your shoebox or invest it the way YOU want to.
Originally Posted by Flytolive
You might want to realize that the text book version of how a corporate BOD is supposed to work and how it actually does are two completely different things. I recommend John Bogle's book, Battle for the Soul of Capitalism, as a start. In it he explains how mutual funds control over 60% of shares of public companies and how they completely fail in their fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders. Who do you think submits the slate of directors at the annual shareholder meeting that is rubber stamped by the institutional investors? Management does. So in essence the CEOs hire their own BOD. Why do you think almost all public corporations incorporate in Delaware?
Such naivety would be charming if it wasn't so dangerous to our futures. Thankfully, the leaders of the APA and their counsel are under no such delusions.
If you want to get to the root of the issue it really is about the tax system in the US that takes our money from us in the form of retirement contributions that go into the capitalist system you talk of and funds it without the option for you to put it in your shoebox or invest it the way YOU want to.
11-23-2014 | 04:45 PM
#947
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From: A320 Capt
Forget it. Your dodge says it all. It was a simple question.
11-23-2014 | 05:37 PM
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From: A320 Capt
Just a little irritated at those that throw darts at others that clearly state what they think, while talking around the edges.
What is it you want from me? I support the APA's current tack.
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