Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

A fundamental component of civil discourse is that no one is entitled to another's opinion.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

But free to absolutely trash everyone else's.

Hey, been there done that. Just not sure what you think we can get out of this, given the fact of what we've already agreed to. I agree with you that the thought of us giving concessions to a corporation that is making billions is laughable...

Originally Posted by R57 relay

I think I'm done with C&R anyway.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

But free to absolutely trash everyone else's.

Hey, been there done that. Just not sure what you think we can get out of this, given the fact of what we've already agreed to. I agree with you that the thought of us giving concessions to a corporation that is making billions is laughable...

Originally Posted by Wiskey Dr anyiver

Agreements are meant to be broken and NO ONE knows this better than you! Hey why dont you just use that old faithful excuse that it was just a proposal

looked up the definition of hypocrisy today and your picture came up.

WD at AWA

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

If I am accused of trashing everyone's opinion then the allegation could have been accompanied by some examples of everyone's opinions and the trashing they have received (and "everyone" necessarily includes "yes" opinions, "no" opinions, and "maybe" opinions... which also seems to present a bit of a paradox).

The BOD has been unable to get valuations from the company for the demanded concessions. The company won't even entertain the APA issues. Yet we have people very passionate about voting on something the BOD, let alone us, has no clarity on.

I have no issue with people having informed opinions.

Originally Posted by aa73

DFW base blast nailed it. What a difference from the ORD sell job!

Originally Posted by R57 relay

See that "been there, done that" Dumbxxx? I'm as guilty as anyone, I try to admit it when I see it.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

An interesting and relevant point. CLEARLY, 666 is a free-loading, union non-member. No one could spout (erupt is better description) the anti-union rhetoric he does and not be one (unless they're nuts). Most barnacles in this situation don't overtly attack the very structure that (for better or worse and like it or not) provide what financial gains they DO have and get. Most simply choose to quietly get as much benefit from the risk and efforts of others while contributing as little as possible. It's rare to find a volcanic rock thrower like this. Even the other management lackeys stooging who are on this forum fly a much more stealthy path then the continuous wild buzz-jobs reminiscent of a 5 o'clock Charlie, screaming and shouting, hurling insults and referencing violence.

It's perfectly OK to see this situation from opposing views, but I can't help wonder if there is some type of medical or behavioral issue going on here. Some forms of schizophrenia include delusion and paranoia similar to what I see here. Other undiagnosed personality disorders also include behavior not unlike that of a rabid animal whereby the afflicted person attacks viciously all who won't validate their point of view (not simply normal disagreement). They may be unable to realize the conflict in not caused by the rest of the world, but is inside their own head. Perhaps there's a substance abuse issue ?

The last couple of weeks have been quite a ride and I can only imagine what will occur once the SLI becomes the hot topic again.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

Why are you guys responding to this obvious poser? He is playing rope a dope while the company is pulling $4B a year and asking for concessions.

A poser shows up this month and you guys are roped in, while the company makes $4B, and is demanding concessions.

Get back on track. Now.

Originally Posted by flybywire44

The ORD update by Todd was very reasonable. We are not in section 6 negotiations. Cost neutral arbitration will limit our leverage going forward as we have little negotiating capital aside from managements desire to avoid arbitration. However, they have a cost analysis threshold on the cost benefit of negotiation vs arbitration

Management's offer would be more palatable if we could drop the healthcare excise, 1 year contract extension, and HBT exemption (or make HBT waiver a case by case option at individual pilot discretion).

The reserve call out, e period sim for bounces only, combined Dom/int'l divisions, and quarterly bid runs are not big losses.



Exactly. 401ks are a capital control that lock money into the U.S. and particularly into Wall Street. 401ks pump money into markets so that they can later pop and be re-flatted by more 401k investment.

Originally Posted by Route66

And I don't believe for one second the Company is "afraid" of arbitration. They are negotiating with the union so BOTH wind up with an equitable JCBA.

Originally Posted by Route66

...because guys like these have never done the heavy lifting necessary to run the union in the first place.