That's a lot of pinned up frustration there and I don't think you should hold all that in. I feel you should call the APA directly and tell them that. Let them know where you are based and what you really think of APA pilots.

WD at AWA

 

Don't blow management smoke up my a$$ and try to tell me it's air conditioning.

Here is what the CLT reps "really" said:

Urgent Charlotte Domicile Update

Details Created on Thursday, 07 February 2013 20:44

The Sales Job

We firmly believe that it is not the job of your union to sell the pilots any bargaining agreement. We advocate and believe that it is our job to provide you with accurate information, data, and educational material that allow you to make your own informed choice. Unfortunately when we saw that “fancy” sales brochure show up in our mailboxes titled “Flight Plan to a Merger,” we knew our concerns about swaying your vote were legitimate. The document contains many inaccuracies and unknowns. In this update we try to provide some of the other side of the story to provide more balance for your decision process.

Your Charlotte Representatives recognize that you all are seasoned contract warriors and know you can smell a con job a mile away – we all had years of schooling from ALPA in that regard.

That is precisely why we insisted prior to the first MOU road show, that the NAC and the Officers not ‘sell’ the MOU to you, but rather present you the unbiased facts and let you make up your own mind. Please don’t misunderstand; we have no problem with the materials or format that was used to discuss the MOU. Our complaint and warning to you is that of accuracy, completeness, and true meaning of our post merger lives with the MOU as presented.

“But you voted unanimously for it to be sent to us for a vote right?”

Yes we did. Here’s the problem. While the NAC updated us during the negotiating process, in the late afternoon of January 2, 2013, the BPR was shown the completed top secret MOU for the first time. We had a briefing from the NAC and then were given less than 12 hours (deadline written directly into the MOU itself) to try to understand the MOU and the intricate ways in which it binds to the APA Green Book Contract. There simply wasn’t time to evaluate everything. We were forced to rely a great deal on what the NAC had delivered, because there was – you guessed it – a deadline looming. At the eleventh hour, we forced the issue of one last improvement (retrospective pay), and then complied with the wishes of numerous pilots who wanted desperately to vote on something - so we sent it out to you with a recommendation you approve the MOU.

Almost every day since that “deadline” has passed one or more grave problems have been revealed in the MOU and the APA Green Book contract that the BPR had no prior knowledge of.

The list includes:

Pay rates originally published for 2016 and beyond were inaccurate, although the NAC subsequently sent out a correction with the accurate rates.
Health insurance premiums, while in line with United and Delta, nevertheless cost more and have high deductibles.
The loss of survivor benefits after 5 years.
Contract language throughout that, although approved and written by our Professional Negotiator and other counsels, our Grievance Chairman says would be difficult to enforce.
When you add all of these unknowns to all of the things we already knew about the MOU, the entire document becomes almost impossible to gauge. When we’ve asked for clarifications on many of these serious issues, often the response from the NAC is “We’re still waiting on the Company and APA to tell us what this means.”

We believe there was not enough due diligence being done on this document before January, and the weeks since have been nothing but one disappointment after another. You should not fear the consequences of yes or no ratification of this agreement as your CLT leadership stands ready to take either course your collective will selects. We are prepared to proceed accordingly. It is not our duty or job to attempt to swing or sway your opinion and we completely understand the reasons for whatever your choice; be it “YES” or be it “NO”. What we do ask is that your follow your own judgment and heart in the decision making process, ask the tough questions, remain informed and vote accordingly.

The MOU voting closes on Friday February 8, 2013 at 1400 hours ET. This is your opportunity to define the next steps in your career and our futures; regardless of your views or opinion of the process or the content; please VOTE!

Fly Safe; we are committed to keep you informed and we will never allow you to be lied to.

Captain Bill McKee Chairman

First Officer Steve Crimi Vice Chairman

First Officer DeWitt Ingram Vice Chairman

 

Already done.

 

I had to show this to Captain Ahole. His comment was clear and precise. If we wanted input from regional pilots we already have a bunch at Eagle. Bugger off, ****, do your job and be grateful you have now made the big time. End of quote. This board has gotten boring. Now I will bugger off. Good bye R57 Relay.

 

Captain "Ahole" ?

 

We are the APA and pointing fingers of blame about the past is not productive.

The company is making $4B this year and wants us to mutiny against our BOD and negotiating committee. I won't slander the BOD and the negotiating committee.

I won't agree to a new contract with concessions that the company cannot get in arbitration. F them. No more concessions. None.

I will not blame the BOD or the negotiating committee if the company tells them to F off and take it or leave it. It isn't the BOD or negotiating committees fault if Parker and Glass are dix.

 

We don't have any other choice, unless we could maybe subvert the BOD by electing a new president that can't hold a medical but has an excellent relationship with management.

 

Agreed. For now, we should all focus on bringing the tide up to lift ALL the boats in the harbor and unified in maximizing our collective self-worth in producing for an entity that has made billions this year and slated to make even stronger profits in the future. We are present being short-changed and short-changing ourselves.

Once this has been achieved, THEN we can all go back to kicking each other in the acorns in the SLI process and beyond.

 

Hope all you east people saw your xmas present that is long overdue in the reserve bid packages for Jan.....

 

Absolutely...