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Old 12-11-2014 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairip
Before this devolves into the usual, tired East-West bickering, here's a few predictions to keep you busy. The following will happen either today or tomorrow (and you can take this to the bank and deposit it):

1) The APA BOD, weary from this nonsense, will announce they simple can't stand the pretense of "negotiations" any longer. They'll tell the knuckleheads, namely Parker, Kirby, and Glass, we're through with their lies and delays and we'll see them across from the arbiters' table.
2) The APA BOD will (finally) get aggressive and announce to the world (via newspaper ads and press releases) that the shine is officially off the turd and what you have here is the same ole AA with a pinch of legacy US' strained labor relations to boot. The theme of "September to Remember" will be back. In other words, the shiznit is about to get real!
3) Eaglefly will be on here telling us he predicted arbitration all along...a distortion which would make even Parker proud!

These things will happen before the rooster crows three times Saturday morning.
Sad to say that you are probably correct. Pilots are their own worst enemy and will never understand that they can make or break a carriers profit margin. Douglas knows this and is betting all that the pilots will go on as business as usual.

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Old 12-11-2014 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairip
Before this devolves into the usual, tired East-West bickering, here's a few predictions to keep you busy. The following will happen either today or tomorrow (and you can take this to the bank and deposit it):

1) The APA BOD, weary from this nonsense, will announce they simple can't stand the pretense of "negotiations" any longer. They'll tell the knuckleheads, namely Parker, Kirby, and Glass, we're through with their lies and delays and we'll see them across from the arbiters' table.
2) The APA BOD will (finally) get aggressive and announce to the world (via newspaper ads and press releases) that the shine is officially off the turd and what you have here is the same ole AA with a pinch of legacy US' strained labor relations to boot. The theme of "September to Remember" will be back. In other words, the shiznit is about to get real!
3) Eaglefly will be on here telling us he predicted arbitration all along...a distortion which would make even Parker proud!

These things will happen before the rooster crows three times Saturday morning.
I wouldn't go into the investment advice business if I was you.

The first two claims are an easy tree to stand under at this point based on the latest blasts and teleconferences, so insinuating you planted that tree simply makes you guilty of your 3rd accusation, which is simply wrong. Regarding that, my position was that a deal would ultimately be reached and you know what........*drum roll*......... I STILL stand behind that.

That deal may not happen prior to management pulling the arbitration trigger, but sometime during the process right up until a ruling. It simply may require a more intense level of brinksmanship to get Parker and Glass to come closer to the light. I see no point in continuing to taxi around in beta mode anymore king and banking is DEFINATELY not your forte. Your deposit recommendations will be rejected by the teller.
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Old 12-11-2014 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I was all about working with the company for a JCBA in both our best interests. I'm done. Same old bs. Agreed... DONE. Let's go to arbitration.
We definitely have to be psychologically prepared for that possibility. Personally, IF it comes to the situation of simply keeping everything as is and waiting until 2016 for ballpark pay rates, I can live with that.....heck, AFAIC it's actually one of the better scenarios. Parker and everyone else must understand though that the byproduct of that is that the "new" AA is simply a management façade and absolutely nothing has changed about this carrier other then its size, paint and uniforms. It's still the empty present to its customers it always was and although profitable in the shirt -term it will become just as uncompetitive as it used to be in the long-term.

Parkers ship will a solo operation.
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Old 12-11-2014 | 07:42 AM
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trying to be positive as a newhire here..but beginning to wonder if all of us made a big mistake at the "New" AA.
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Old 12-11-2014 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
trying to be positive as a newhire here..but beginning to wonder if all of us made a big mistake at the "New" AA.
The "big mistake" is flying planes for a living.

Don't sweat it. The company will be beating on us forever. It's what they do. If they stop, get real suspicious of what they are up to.
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Old 12-11-2014 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
You don't think Gary worked for his money? Was a medical required for his work? Didn't a recall, in which that was one of the many issues, fail so that was the will of the pilots? That issue didn't unite the pilots, and for most pilots the medical issue was a red herring that was not an important issue with all that was going on. Could it be that all the distraction from the Gary haters distracted the group and gave us less than could have been?

You are being a hypocrite.
Who named names? What are you talking about?

I have to use my sick time if my medical lapses. So do you. That unites us.

We earn our money.
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Old 12-11-2014 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I was all about working with the company for a JCBA in both our best interests. I'm done. Same old bs. Agreed... DONE. Let's go to arbitration.
I agree, but we better do it with our eyes wide open.

Parker/Glass will send out a flood of $h!tt to break the union. The membership is pp!$$ed, but be careful because P. & G. have a plan on how to turn that anger on the BOD. The BOD says we get the Green Book in arbitration. The BOD better clarify.. The contract that the company signed has them agreeing on GreenBook, and if they renege on it then that is just one more of the many contract violations.

The company will bide its time until the membership mutinies against pilots and BOD members with medicals. If we let the mutiny win we will get. LOA 93 v.2.
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Old 12-11-2014 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
Have they responded to you? Did you tell them that you are entitled to all these provisions based on the fact that as a LUS pilot you are far better than everyone else? If you have not done this you need to go complete the job in order to be taken seriously.

WD at AWA
West entitlement is over. That's a FACT. I'm not better, just KNOW BETTER of the reality that we are disunited because of seniority and that we will NEVER attain unity without a union SOP we can all use.
Sorry you're stuck in PHX but that's a choice YOU MADE.

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Have you informed Doug that you demand the MOU provisions that you agreed to, just like the TA, that you don't like need to be ignored? If not, get on that.

But I suspect you aren't taken seriously anywhere.

Anybody checked in on your twin cacti?
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Well Mr *** I suspect you may be correct however I really don't care what you think! Its been a proven fact over and over that you are where you are today as a result of not honoring your your commitments. I congratulate you on that as no other pilot group in the history of the profession has ever pulled off what LUS vis usapa has pulled off. I am still amazed that no court would touch and it seems as though LUS will win as a result. It is very unfortunate however because of usapa they have now laid the foundation of precedent. I suspect that law suits will continue on long after I retire and the complete disharmony that plagued LCC will now infect the new AA.

Congratulations on that ****, you boys have done fine work.

WD at AWA
Count me in with R57. And YOU SAID IT: NO COURT WOULD TOUCH IT AND LUS WILL WIN AS A RESULT.

Who is keeping Harper/Flood in the money: AOL and the West pilots keep suing for.....NOTHING!

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Old 12-11-2014 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
trying to be positive as a newhire here..but beginning to wonder if all of us made a big mistake at the "New" AA.
AA is distant third when you compare it to United and Delta. I'm actually more surprised there are people that want to leave Untied and Delta to come here.
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Old 12-11-2014 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
trying to be positive as a newhire here..but beginning to wonder if all of us made a big mistake at the "New" AA.
You should BE positive because you will have a good career in front of you. Do your job, be professional, keep informed and relish the time off with your family knowing that your future will be bright.

Because it will. Welcome new hires, your a breath of fresh air!!!
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