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Old 05-05-2016, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by plift View Post
No. If we have to burn this place to the ground to get a decent contract, so be it.
I've never seen anything look good after being burnt to the ground. Both sides need to check their egos and get a deal done.
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:14 AM
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So are you Atlas management or legal counsel? Or maybe DHL or Amazon's?

If it gets burnt down but we get a decent contract in the process then we can easily rebuild. There is no shortage of customers looking for lift. If it simply gets burnt down, well they've shot themselves in the foot hiring a young pilot group over the last few years. Most of us have plenty of time for a career elsewhere.
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:23 AM
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What he said!
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
I've never seen anything look good after being burnt to the ground. Both sides need to check their egos and get a deal done.
Go back to the break room at F&H and eat some more doughnuts.

There is no ego in standing one's ground for an industry standard or better contract.

I would rather die fighting on my feet than live on my knees. Besides, the jobmarket is on our side and the burned out hull that used to be Atlas will hurt them much more than it would us.
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Old 05-05-2016, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
I've never seen anything look good after being burnt to the ground. Both sides need to check their egos and get a deal done.
Then show up to the negotiating table! Our egos will be fine when you pay us what we are worth. Until then, best of luck with your marketing campaign. It's failing so far.
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
I've never seen anything look good after being burnt to the ground. Both sides need to check their egos and get a deal done.
There are plenty of other places that aren't on fire. Atlas is the one with the water to put the fire out. Unless they open up the valves to provide the water, we hit the fire escape and walk to the nearest building that has a better sprinkler system.

We could care less what Atlas looks like after it is burned to the ground. All we have to lose is a couple of years of seniority. Flynn will lose his company.

... how's that for analogy carry through ... ???

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Old 05-05-2016, 11:30 AM
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Just a line pilot here...

I am simply stating- it takes two sides to get a deal done. The union has drawn there line with the strike vote- the CO with their - "merger" so... Why don't we all just figure out a way to make this work...one side can't simply stomp their feet and state- this is what I deserve- it doesn't and has never worked that way.
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
Just a line pilot here...

I am simply stating- it takes two sides to get a deal done. The union has drawn there line with the strike vote- the CO with their - "merger" so... Why don't we all just figure out a way to make this work...one side can't simply stomp their feet and state- this is what I deserve- it doesn't and has never worked that way.
When it's this far out of whack (management thinks we should amalgamate with a bankrupt contract when we are paid 40% LESS than industry standard) then yes, we should stand our ground and stomp on their heads. We must. A majority of Fedex F/O's make more than our Captains, same goes for UPS, Delta too. We are on the side of the facts, the entire industry, the majority, and truth. Kum-bay-a is not going to work with these people.
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Old 05-05-2016, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
Just a line pilot here...

I am simply stating- it takes two sides to get a deal done. The union has drawn there line with the strike vote- the CO with their - "merger" so... Why don't we all just figure out a way to make this work...one side can't simply stomp their feet and state- this is what I deserve- it doesn't and has never worked that way.
Okay, I get it, you're one of the very high seniority guys on the whale, or one that drinks the company Kool-Aid...either way, we've carried this outfit long enough on our backs. How long is it going to take before you (and those like you) realize where the industry is vs where our pilot group is in terms of .... use any metric you want in the blank spaces (pay rates, work rules, retirement, time off, vacation, etc etc etc).

You have a chance to voice your opinion until noon tomorrow. I hope you take it and vote in favor of strike authorization...that is one tool that our union leaders and the NC can use to get us to industry standard terms and conditions.
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Old 05-05-2016, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
Just a line pilot here...

I am simply stating- it takes two sides to get a deal done. The union has drawn there line with the strike vote- the CO with their - "merger" so... Why don't we all just figure out a way to make this work...one side can't simply stomp their feet and state- this is what I deserve- it doesn't and has never worked that way.
boeingdvr is absolutely correct.

It takes two sides to get a deal done. However, it was the ATLAS negotiating team who no-showed at the negotiating sessions forcing us to file for arbitration to bring them to the table. Prior to Atlas refusing to appear, the only "negotiation proposals" they brought forth were involved NO change from the current contract! They simply cut and pasted sections straight out of our current CBA. THAT is not a negotiation. THAT is an insulting waste of our valuable time and a blatant delay tactic postponing any additional costs to the company and postponing any pay raises for us. It's a WIN-LOSE situation and they're going to play that hand for years if they can.

It's pretty difficult to figure out how to make things work when the other guy won't even show up to talk.

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