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Old 10-15-2016, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobalPizzaMan
Sure, when I got hired here I was 27 and no one else was hiring. It was a no brainer coming from regional right seat. And as soon as a major calls I'm out. I'm not dissuading people from coming over. Just responding to a few posts who questioned the validity of our pay issues. What's been posted is accurate. Those of us Atlas pilots who post are trying to help, not pursuing an agenda.
Very well said. Much of what transpires in an individual's career depends upon where they are in that career. I am in the sunset time now (2 years 10+ months left in mine) and I'll be staying. If I were at the other end of my career my choice might well be different. As it is, I do very much enjoy the flying, the folks with which I fly and (believe it or not) even the constant schedule changes. It's much like flying the C-141 back in the day but without the tents and MREs. I absolutely do not begrudge anyone leaving here for better opportunities. It's a wise move most likely, at least with the contractual situation as it is now. For me, I'll ride this horse until it's time to hang up my spurs.
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Old 10-16-2016, 05:48 AM
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To further the discussion, I am at this time looking for other employment due mostly to low wages and job security for what is a very long career ahead of me (hopefully) still. However, I would be very torn to leave this job. Gateway travel (living where you WANT vs living in base or commuting) is fantastic. This job is the most fun I have ever had. Guys at Delta don't get to fly Leipzig-Incheon, or Tokyo-Sydney.

So yes, there are certainly positives.
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Old 10-16-2016, 09:03 AM
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After a recent union email that all but officially "discourages" VX, OT and outbasing, (that was my reading between the lines interpretation, anyway) their seems to be a growing consensus here lately against such.

There is a "more passionate" group here considering starting a social media page to out those that are doing such that is not sanctioned by the union leadership. I am not for posting anyone's name, even in a closed group. However, I am on board with the idea that SHOPping (Stop Helping Out Purchase) includes not flying VX, OT or outbasing.

So just a heads-up to those looking to work here. In the minds of many, the first year 50 hour guarantee, being on training pay, extended medical leave, etc., does not justify doing extra flying and will not get you any sympathy.
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Old 10-16-2016, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Radials Rule
After a recent union email that all but officially "discourages" VX, OT and outbasing, (that was my reading between the lines interpretation, anyway) their seems to be a growing consensus here lately against such.

There is a "more passionate" group here considering starting a social media page to out those that are doing such that is not sanctioned by the union leadership. I am not for posting anyone's name, even in a closed group. However, I am on board with the idea that SHOPping (Stop Helping Out Purchase) includes not flying VX, OT or outbasing.

So just a heads-up to those looking to work here. In the minds of many, the first year 50 hour guarantee, being on training pay, extended medical leave, etc., does not justify doing extra flying and will not get you any sympathy.


Couldn't the company just extend pilots for extra 4 days as per contract? Especially if nobody is picking up VX/OT voluntarily?


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Old 10-16-2016, 12:42 PM
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They sure can.

And a 4 day extension would pay 24 plus the CRT. So they would be looking at paying a pilot nearly 40 some hours for 4 days of work.

And if they choose to extend to a 5 day- it would run the CO nearly 60 hours of pay.
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Old 10-16-2016, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ftaba1
Couldn't the company just extend pilots for extra 4 days as per contract? Especially if nobody is picking up VX/OT voluntarily?


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It's not so easy for them to extend a pilot that is on a bidline. The CBA really limits the company on extending a bidline holder.

Anyway, I am not sure what you were trying to imply. Just because the company has some flexibility to extend a reserve line holder, does not negate the effects of pilots not picking up extra flying.
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Old 10-16-2016, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
Guys at Delta don't get to fly Leipzig-Incheon, or Tokyo-Sydney.

So yes, there are certainly positives.
You say don't get to... I say don't have to.
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Old 10-16-2016, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Elusive Napkin
You say don't get to... I say don't have to.
Yeah...enjoy O'Charley's or some other bland chain restaurant in Topeka!

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Old 10-16-2016, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Elusive Napkin
You say don't get to... I say don't have to.
To each their own. If

JFK-BUF-JFK-DCA-ATL-AVL-ATL-MIA all in one day for 4 hours of credit is your thing...no one is stopping you from pursuing that
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Old 10-16-2016, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
To each their own. If

JFK-BUF-JFK-DCA-ATL-AVL-ATL-MIA all in one day for 4 hours of credit is your thing...no one is stopping you from pursuing that
That would be about 11 hours of pay. That flying is brutal but at least you get paid for what you fly at those companies. Unlike atlas where you get paid 4.85 to fly cvg-icn
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