Atlas Air Hiring
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
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I agree with the previous poster's (zero's) advice. I disagree with the rationale. A company is a company and plenty of good people work at all of them. ATSG carriers have separate seniority lists and poorly diversified clientele. So if ATI loses Amazon business you can't cross over and fly AMC charters for Omni for example. The future is unpredictable, however. A few years ago, Atlas was the place to avoid and people were going to ATI. So regardless of which choice you make, you're landing in thr same, general neighborhood.
Regarding homework, I believe people may be referring to old animosities of ATI being an ALPA carrier while others are teamsters. That allows airlines to be pitted against each other. You're not in the wrong for not knowing this. No big deal. There is no absence of due diligence on your part.
There are some (not necessarily zero, but there are some) folks who think that by working at an ALPA carrier you are somehow weakening our bargaining position. Really this is just about the human drive to form tribes. You have to ignore a number of other factors (I'll spare you a long list.) for this to be a significant factor. Screw tribes. Go where it's best for you. Right now I believe Atlas is the best of the okay. Don't skip that class date until you have another one lined up, though
Regarding homework, I believe people may be referring to old animosities of ATI being an ALPA carrier while others are teamsters. That allows airlines to be pitted against each other. You're not in the wrong for not knowing this. No big deal. There is no absence of due diligence on your part.
There are some (not necessarily zero, but there are some) folks who think that by working at an ALPA carrier you are somehow weakening our bargaining position. Really this is just about the human drive to form tribes. You have to ignore a number of other factors (I'll spare you a long list.) for this to be a significant factor. Screw tribes. Go where it's best for you. Right now I believe Atlas is the best of the okay. Don't skip that class date until you have another one lined up, though
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2023
Position: BE-99 Captain
Posts: 4
Thanks for the encouragement! Hopefully, when the time comes I get the call and I look forward to moving on to what I hope is my final job.
Long term? Atlas
Short term? Either one is you’re planning on leaving within two years anyway.
Atlas has a better long term future with the more diversified flying.
Next two years will be a bit of a cluster while Apollo figures out it’s a-hole from its elbow.
Short term? Either one is you’re planning on leaving within two years anyway.
Atlas has a better long term future with the more diversified flying.
Next two years will be a bit of a cluster while Apollo figures out it’s a-hole from its elbow.
New Hire
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 6
Here's a data point on hiring timeline for anyone wondering. I think the hiring team is working farther out now though.
2/6 - Completed application
2/13 - Phone screen
2/19 Company presentation
2/28 - Interview
2/29 - CJO
4/14 - Class date 777
2/6 - Completed application
2/13 - Phone screen
2/19 Company presentation
2/28 - Interview
2/29 - CJO
4/14 - Class date 777
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Position: Part time employee
Posts: 169
CJO may not happen the next day, especially if there is anything that needs review, e.g. incomplete logbooks, medical about to expire, temporary licenses, etc.
Class assignments are now a few months out, with the exception of those that are available ASAP who might be assigned openings that pop up.
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 2
Doesn't really matter anyway as they will pay for all your commuting expenses and arrange flights and hotel; there is virtually no commuting stress at all. That is one of the great attractions of flying for Atlas.
Does matter if said person lives there. Best of any world to live in base; otherwise, yes your statement is almost perfect.
Long Call
Joined APC: Mar 2022
Position: Sitting down
Posts: 21
Ok, many, many things going on here in your post. Let me say this, and don’t take this the wrong way dude. I am saying this merely to help you going forward, not trying to drag you down. Only trying to build you up.
121 is the big leagues. It’s not general aviation CFI work anymore. I was also a CFI in the beginning of my career. Took my job very seriously and always tried to apply the fundamentals of instruction 100% of the time. I had a pass rate similar to yours. When I went to my regional, I knew going in to not expect many of the instructors to have a passion for teaching. And turns out, many of them didn’t. There were a few that I could tell truly enjoyed teaching. But what I’ve learned is that airline training is a freaking firehose, and they really do not have time to teach you everything. A part of the test for you in training and on the line is seeing how much initiative you take. Did you prepare for the flight that morning or the night before in the hotel room? Or were you out at the bar till 1am? Did you go over the company pages, look over the expected arrivals/approaches/departures, expected taxi routing, etc. etc. etc. etc? Did you look over the weather to expect? Did you chair fly your callouts/profiles?
They certainly do expect you to fill in the gaps a lot. I disagreed with that mentality at first, but as I got deeper into the program and got to the line, I started to realize that as professionals, we have to strive to be the best we can. It’s expected of us. Every single day. Learn as much as we can. Every single flight. This comes in the form of self-debriefs. Self-critiques. Take what you learned with helping students in GA, and aggressively apply that to helping yourself get through your first 121 job. There are gonna be plenty of days when you will feel behind. It happens to all of us. With time and experience in a jet, you will begin to feel very confident.
121 is a completely different animal than 91 GA. There’s very little comparison to be honest. And yea you may sometimes get unlucky and have a real douche bag of an instructor/check airmen, etc. I’ve had plenty of them. I know it sucks. But whatever you do, do not blame them for your failures. Period. It will not help you. At all. I am saying this in hopes that you take it and learn from it.
121 is the big leagues. It’s not general aviation CFI work anymore. I was also a CFI in the beginning of my career. Took my job very seriously and always tried to apply the fundamentals of instruction 100% of the time. I had a pass rate similar to yours. When I went to my regional, I knew going in to not expect many of the instructors to have a passion for teaching. And turns out, many of them didn’t. There were a few that I could tell truly enjoyed teaching. But what I’ve learned is that airline training is a freaking firehose, and they really do not have time to teach you everything. A part of the test for you in training and on the line is seeing how much initiative you take. Did you prepare for the flight that morning or the night before in the hotel room? Or were you out at the bar till 1am? Did you go over the company pages, look over the expected arrivals/approaches/departures, expected taxi routing, etc. etc. etc. etc? Did you look over the weather to expect? Did you chair fly your callouts/profiles?
They certainly do expect you to fill in the gaps a lot. I disagreed with that mentality at first, but as I got deeper into the program and got to the line, I started to realize that as professionals, we have to strive to be the best we can. It’s expected of us. Every single day. Learn as much as we can. Every single flight. This comes in the form of self-debriefs. Self-critiques. Take what you learned with helping students in GA, and aggressively apply that to helping yourself get through your first 121 job. There are gonna be plenty of days when you will feel behind. It happens to all of us. With time and experience in a jet, you will begin to feel very confident.
121 is a completely different animal than 91 GA. There’s very little comparison to be honest. And yea you may sometimes get unlucky and have a real douche bag of an instructor/check airmen, etc. I’ve had plenty of them. I know it sucks. But whatever you do, do not blame them for your failures. Period. It will not help you. At all. I am saying this in hopes that you take it and learn from it.
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