Atlas Air Hiring
12-06-2014 | 05:33 PM
#9891
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In 6 months apply again. And for the next test have 4 or 5 friends there with laptops to help you. If you can not do that, don't feel badly. Neither can the guy at home in Idaho who has 20 years of real world experience but is now unemployed in the middle of nowhere.
If this test was real they would do it at the interview. But they don't, and it isn't. But it does work well for those in a crash pad whose real goal is Delta.
12-07-2014 | 06:54 AM
#9893
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No, they aren't getting fed up over it and it doesn't cost them the amount of money you think. There is a STACK of resumes of people wanting to work for Atlas as proved by this thread alone. Their training costs are so low that the revolving door doesn't hurt them enough, because it clearly doesn't show in their willingness to change anything. The only thing that will make them aware is if the planes stop moving, which they haven't had much of a hiccup with yet...(keep on out basing!!!) They do not care about you, or us, or hiring, or other contracts, or training expenses. If they did, don't you think it would be clear? Do you really think they are forward looking? No, and its clear every single day out on line. There hasn't been one single indication from Atlas that the things you mention are true. Money is the only thing they understand and we haven't communicated that well enough yet, believe it.
Keep that cost in mind when profit sharing gets reduced due to that cost.
Yes, there is a "stack." Expect them to use a much finer comb as they go through it.
12-07-2014 | 12:00 PM
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12-07-2014 | 04:03 PM
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True. Better to take half or two thirds of the percentage in annual hard dollar increases that roll up and can't be taken away. If you still want a small percentage of it as lagniappe, fine. But hard dollars compound and put you in a better position for the next CBA.
12-07-2014 | 05:06 PM
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What company do you work for??
At Atlas there is no more profit sharing to speak of.
Hope it works for you wherever you work.
At Atlas, our profit sharing agreement was a wonderful victory.
For the company.
For the pilot group, it is an insult.
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12-07-2014 | 05:23 PM
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Likely excuses include...."Your contribution to the company profit no longer represents what was considered prior".
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12-07-2014 | 10:56 PM
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12-08-2014 | 05:26 AM
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The PROBLEM is that profit sharing is a VARIABLE...and too many people expect it to be more than it is.
That's why it's better to take the percentages in profit sharing and make them hard dollars in the contract. That way there is no variable, just hard dollars. Looking back to when it exceeded 15%, it would have been much better to have negotiated two annual hard 5% increases with a 5% profit sharing variable than hoping for 15% to last forever. That way you get 10% each year of the CBA that never goes away. And your baseline for the next CBA goes up substantially, giving you a higher baseline to negotiate from.
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