cessnapilot

So... do you forecast junior F/Os in ANC going to the panel? bottom 100 on the list working F/E seat plus 40 over 65 on the panel for a total of 140 or so DC-8 F/Es?

freightretriever

Bingo! Funny thing is that will be the 2nd move on the company's nickel! And......if they furlough the junior FE's in SDF then eventually recall them to ANC they would be on the hook for yet another move.

Vman

Questions?

The crewmembers identified as excess have first pick for the vacancies? Can they also bid for anything their seniority will hold? If all vacancies are filled, will there still be a free for all?

MoneyShot

I work for that other cargo company and some good friends of mine tell me that UPS is still profitable. Not as profitable as in years past, but profitable nonetheless. It boggles my mind to hear even a whisper of the "F" word. It might be costing the company to keep some pilots around until things get better but it sure would be nice for them to show a little loyalty to a component that has made them so successful in the past. Oh well, guess some exec needs the 2009 version of the 911 Porsche because, really, who wants to own the 2008 anymore...

1800 RVR

Easy way to look at this: for the realignment, anyone can bid on the open vacancies. Seniority rules. However, these awards may not be final, because now comes the displacement portion. Those that are left that didn't "realign" themselves, will now be displaced into whatever seat they bid for and can hold via seniority. Those that are pushed out of the bottom of their list will now bump someone junior to them in whatever airplane, etc. I'm not going to get into the whole "there are only so many recurring vacancies created from an original vacancy" etc. part of the contract. Roberto has the knowledge of that part of the contract.

bifff15

RVR,
Correct me if I'm wrong but the math will go something like this: Add the number of guys who bid out of the back of the Ocho combined with differences between vacancies and displacements and you have the amount of guys who will eventually get displaced out of ANC to the panel.
Example 1: 10 more vacancies than displacements, plus 25 back seaters move forward will result in 15 guys eventually getting displaced from ANC to join the disgruntled DC8 F/Es.
Example 2: 10 less vacancies than displacements, plus 25 back seaters move forward will result in 35 guys eventually getting displaced from ANC to join the disgruntled DC8 F/Es.
RVR & Roberto how is that math?
Biff

SaltyDog

Shaggy,
Concur, except the over 65's will still be sitting S/O's. Company is in position to save money (less CPT's) and stash extra F/O's as F/E's. 10 less Capts will save UPS nearly a million on the difference alone. Same savings excessing the F/O's to F/E. Good news is that they appear to want to keep everyone on the property to backfill the retirements that will come in 2 years as the last years crop of 63 year olds who returned to the front retire. The retirements will start picking up so everyone will start trickling forward again. As you also point out in a thread later on that UPS is ready if the economy gets worse. <ng>

Roberto,
Me thinks that is the 10 less Capitains systemwide after the musical chairs. I am going to MD right SDF, so long Ocho, a good ride while it lasted.

brownie

I don't care who goes where as long as every ipa bro's and sis's stay on the property AND ROBERTO WHATEVER HAPPENS PLEASE DON'T COME BACK TO MIAMI>

Roberto

Your examples look correct to me. If UPS displaces as they show on p.4 of the bid, the number of displacements will equal the number of vacancies.

With 57 original FO vacancies, and maybe 40 recurring FO vacancies (from the 46 CPT original vacancies), that is a lot of FO vacancies. Most of those will be filled with junior FE's I think (there are only 40 over-60 FE's who are in the age range, and all of those will not bid).

However, the follow-on displacement bid will send as many junior FO's to the DC8 FE seat as were awarded vacancies, as you said in your first sentence, above. Many of those that go to the FE seat on the displacement will be the junior FE's who just bid off (but never really left), and they will be added to with more junior FO's (from ANC) to equal the senior FE's who upgraded. That is my guess.

brownie: I'm expecting SDFZ FO until we get more 767's. I was hoping to bypass CPT eventually and remain a senior FO, but so far UPS is not cooperating with the bypass age.

JustUnderPar

Man......this place is depressing!