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07-26-2009 | 06:36 AM

#161

767pilot

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From: 767 captain

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Originally Posted by 757upspilot

Red
UPS used to have photographs on the wall of a truck with a tree growing up through the bumper of some past competitor who had been larger than UPS that failed over night with the reminder that it could happen to us.

I think that was REA, Railway Express Agency, wasn't it?
Railway Express Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Railway Express Agency: Information from Answers.com

Pretty good lesson for UPS and FDX about what can happen to a company that loses ground in it's high paying express products, doesn't adapt to technology (trains...in the mid 70's?) and can't play nice with it's unions.

07-26-2009 | 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Baron

You want to talk about mistakes? Try 13 years at ABX Air (former Airborne Express) and now furloughed forever and career over and out! That should help those of you unhappy at UPS and FEDEX appreciate what you have.

Red

That's an important, heartbreaking point.

There is much to be learned about economic conditions and what it is doing to us. Worst decline since the great depression. Even in the great depression, some did not feel it if they had the right position at the right company. We are accustomed, perhaps callously, to a small percentage of families experiencing hard times continuously. Now we have a multiple of that percentage in distress. The last expansion went too long and too high to be sustained. We were, and are, manipulated by those who want to make quick profits/political gain off of growth.

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07-26-2009 | 08:10 AM

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757upspilot

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Originally Posted by 767pilot

If they had good management who had looked a the changing market place UPS would still be regional and FDX probably wouldn't exist.

07-26-2009 | 09:28 AM

#164

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From: 757/767 FO

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Originally Posted by 757upspilot

Possibly he doesn't. The ones that are bothered by it that stayed are the ones who have managed to get changes and improvements.
As to the rug dances, there is a reason that those have not been a factor in your life at UPS.

1. There is a big difference between getting changes and improvements made versus whining like a baby about commuting and displacements while people are losing their jobs left and right.

2. Just because someone does not let every little comment made by some clown get to them doesn't mean they do not think there is room for improvement. I'm sure Aviator is not off in happy la la land thinking that this place is perfect by any means although there are other places much much worse I'm sure (since I've been there).

3. I am very grateful that carpet dances are not a factor in my life. I thank the union for that....I'm assuming that is what you are getting at. Don't worry, I'm confident this place wouldn't be a decent place to work if it wasn't for the IPA.

07-26-2009 | 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetjok

Fatboy,

In this industry, the accepted norm is to take the first job offered. By your post, I'll assume that you had a bunch of simultaneous offers and that you choose wisely. Most of the rest of us took what came along. I know I did, and when I went to UPS it took me exactly 2 hours to determine that I'd made a mistake. I think it was the hour-long briefing from the guy in Loss Prevention, telling us what they'd do to us if we were caught stealing, that made me have immediate second thoughts. Not that I planned to steal anything, but it was just that I had always considered myself a professional, and as such, should have been treated that way. That first day, during the first break, I remember calling my previous employer and asking if I could come back to work. Of course the answer was "NO", and so I stuck it out for a year, being miserable and hating the place. Thankfully I received a job offer from FedEx, but that was about 3 months after I had left UPS. You see, sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. It had nothing to do with the crew force, which I thought were just great, but everything to do with how the company treated us.

JJ

JetJok, I agree with you 100%. I was offerred 5 jobs; however, none of them were at my top three airlines (UPS, FedEx, SWA). I did exactly what everyone else did and went with the best offer available.

After hearing some of the stories out there, including this thread, I guess I consider myself lucky, at this point in time, because we all know how quickly life can change at your airline.

07-26-2009 | 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

I don't claim to be an expert, but I really think you'll have more fun there in the next 20 years than at any of the other companies on your list. With your timing, you'd be very junior at any of the others, and I think your group has about the best upward potential of any of the pax guys right now. If you have to be junior, doing so at a legacy at least provides the variety and abilty for your family to enjoy some of the (I know...shrinking) perks of the job. If you ain't moving up...its nice to sit in a seat you like a while. I'm hearing some concerns and angst from my SWA buddies....15 year upgrades, blah blah blah. Better be set to enjoy what you've got for a while. I think doing what you are doing beats flying the panel in the middle of the night or watching your domicile bounce between OAK, LAS, and BWI month to month.

In any case...we are all just hunkering down for a while. Hope your ride is both smooth and enjoyable.

07-26-2009 | 05:17 PM

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From: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat

COWBOY WAY:

The horse is dead. Get off.

Other Methods:

1. Buy a bigger whip.
2. Change riders.
3. Appoint a committee to study the horse.
4. Arrange lavish Congressional junkets to Caribbean nations to see how other cultures ride horses.
5. Lower standards so that dead horses can be included.
6. Reclassify the dead horse as "living impaired" so as not to discriminate.
7. Hire outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
8. Harness several dead horses together to increase speed.
9. Provide additional funding and training to increase dead horse's performance.
10. Do a 2-year $70,000,000 productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance.
11. Declare that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead, and therefor contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than a live horse.
12. Rewrite the expected performance requirements for all equines.
13. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.

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