I couldn't agree more. Conflict bidding is, for my quality of life, worth way more than whatever ca$h they'll try to throw at the problem to make the deal. It seems, however, that many are willing to grab the quick buck without considering whatever they're giving up is really worth. Whatever we got in exchange for fewer commercial DHs is clearly not worth it to commuters, and after circus of the past 20 months, I'll bet there's a lot more commuters today than there were in 2006. Better to think long term, even if it's as a long term FO.

 

I think there are more commercial deadheads now than in the old contract.

 

Did the company want PBS in the last contract or is that coming up now?

 

they have always wanted it.

 

I don't agree with anything you said. But it doesn't mean I want PBS. So don't misquote me into a supporter of Preferential B.S.

Have you ever bid lines using PBS ? Have you seen the results you indicate ?

I have used it before. It did not yeild the reduction in manning that PBS creators promised my previous company. It is the typical difference between perception and reality. Also known as garbage in = garbage out !

What I would fear more if UPS managed to negotiate PBS into our contract is their normal blatant disregard for ANY agreement they make with their employees. That's where they get us every day, day in and day out.



I'm just saynig ...

 

Having someone disagree with what I said.......now there's a first! <G>

In any case, the company wanted PBS in a big way. That fact in itself should tell you something.

 

I've worked under PBS, and I can see why junior pilots that are good with computers might want it, because with some systems you can easily get yourself a much better schedule than the senior guys if you know what you are doing and they don't.

Also, beyond any shadow of a doubt, UPS will be able run the airline with less pilots with PBS. PBS will equal furloughs at UPS. There are no two ways about it and anyone who argues differently is highly uneducated about PBS.
PBS will be the final nail in the coffin of a UPS pilot career. There will be furloughs, and there will not be any hiring for likely 10 years or more.
No thanks, this place already sucks bad enough without PBS.

 

"No thanks, this place already sucks bad enough without PBS"

Buh Bye...

Please let us know when your off the property. Some of us want to throw a little party, I'm buying, you can come if you want....

Oh, be sure to resign your number at your exit interview so we know your gone for good.

"What will change the inevitable? Nothing. We are trapped here and this place is a dead end! I wish I could have a do-over and take the SWA job or even stay at my other airline."

I wish you had your do over, too. Best of luck to ya. Let us know when the plan B guard/reserve thing kicks in. We're all rooting for ya....

 

Naven, Great points. It's obvious to me that for some reason I am really irritating some people about what I am saying about UPS. I don't know why, but people just get mad when you criticize their company. I really like the people here, I just don't like UPS and I think that this job is a serious dead-end for anybody who was recently hired here, like me. The reasons that you stated here are even more that I haven't even thought of, but yes, I cannot honestly imagine that I will ever make captain here until I am in my late 50s.

There are no retirements, we are shrinking the airline, they are probably hiring more and more managers, the company is getting much more efficient scheduling, etc.

This place is a serious dead end, and I think many of the recent hires like me will eventually start to see it as the months and years go on. Benefits will keep getting cut, the contract will keep getting violated, and UPS will begin to fall down to where it used to be as far as pilot jobs are concerned.

Take away the hefty hourly rate, and UPS is a terrible, terrible job. Add in the stinking RDG and commuting to Alaska for the junior guys, and this place is the pits!!!

What will change the inevitable? Nothing. We are trapped here and this place is a dead end! I wish I could have a do-over and take the SWA job or even stay at my other airline.

By the way, I just heard that the SWA pilots are about to get hundreds (Frontier and Lynx pilots) stapled to their list, so I would be seriously senior there instead of furlough fodder here. Crap! Oh well.

 

Why do you take it so personal?
I am going to take a long term leave if I can get this other job that I interviewed for this week in Indiana. It pays more than I will be making on RDG, and no commuting to Alaska for half of my kids' lives.

You have to be willing to work hard and do manual labor, but I don't mind that one bit. You also have to be willing to work with leach fields and septic tanks, but it's better than UPS at half pay, so if I get it I am gone for a while.