Yeah, I'd take the help if offered but I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them esp. the ones that left the union to be managers.

 

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Did you seriously think that stability means a guaranteed job for the next 40 years?????? You better stay on the moon cuz it isn't going to happen on earth Scotty.

 

But yet none of you will quit, you'll just make things miserable for the rest of us by *****ing and moaning on trips.....yea!

 

Ha ha ha......good point.

 

"and I had my choice of pretty much any place I wanted and I picked UPS. I wish I would've went to SWA though"

"Everything else about working at this place SUCKS!!!! Domiciles, airplanes, schedules, MANAGERS...."



I cannot believe this thread is going on this long, but with quotes like this from "UPSmistake", it really isn't a wonder. Clearly we are all being entertained by this. So many people seem to get so many job offers for so many jobs out there. When he left his former Legacy airline to come to UPS, he did it for a reason, "furlough????" At UPS, he wasn't forced into giving into the MOU. Nobody would have rolled him over out back for not participating. So, he has just made a bunch of mistakes and wants to blame everybody else. The economy is in the toilet, airlines are cutting back, the postal service will lose 10 billion this year. I really can't believe that the bottom 300 are still here. A company that is so dividend driven but doesn't lay off people. If he thinks that UPS sucks, any legacy carrier doesn't give a rat's a$$ about him. UPS likely had some semblance of reasoning and compassion. Who knows.

As for the thing about everything else at this place sucks. Our managers are decent. Just be friendly, happy. Finished. Our planes are maintained like no others in the world. The are twinkly clean, modern. I know people are going to dump on me, but look how many serious failures we have had???????? Not many, a few shutdowns, here a glitch, there a glitch. Our airplanes are safe. Sure SWA has a good fleet, too. But flying the same airplane for over 30 years is not my thing. I believe I would become too complacent.

Finally, virtually all of his problems with UPS are from info that hasn't changed over the years. Our domiciles have existed longer than he has been here, so have the managers, so have the schedules, the 72's were gone, and the 74's were on their way out. Sure the 8's caught us all by surprise. Problem is, he thinks he should be rewarded for coming here.

UPSmistake! We feel for you and all the faithful here at APC offer our condolences. Perhaps you may have been a mistake for someone too over the years?

 

I'd give my left eye to ANC based. But I realize it isn't for everyone. Good luck with your career.

Maybe you could PM Skyhigh for some career advice. He is just full of "good" information.

 

If you are at UPS for stability there is almost no other place to be unless you are in the bottom 600. The problem with a career at UPS has to do with negative growth for the foreseeable future and little retirements for the the next 20 years. Most mature airlines have about 5% of their pilots retire per year. When retirements start again in a couple of years UPS retirements will be around 1-3 % per year. Couple that with the shrinkage of flying equals stagnation. Don't get me wrong, compared to almost anywhere else you could be UPS is at or near the top, but most guys hired in the past 10 years are looking at a 20 years until upgrade which isn't that great because the average age of new hires in the past few years has been around 40.

 

Excellent point. Which is why FOs need to think about that during the next contract negotiations. Consider that you'll be an FO for the next 10-15 yrs and vote that way, not like you'll be a CAPT in a year or two. Many hired in the last 5 yrs will retire as FOs, having never upgraded. There are likely to be a number of things the company will try to "buy" us out of next time: A fund, pref-bidding, etc. Think about long-term quality of life as an FO when considering these things and don't just grab the quick money. We need more FOs on the EB and as IPA committee chairs...

 

If they do, I hope that they return the leather coats WE bought for them on the way out the door

 

If the company is able to convince the membership to accept PBS or preferential bidding system, they should also accept a furlough of the bottom 20-25% of the seniority list. PBS would give the company a huge amount of scheduling flexibility and productivity gains which would equate to either furloughs or no hiring or upgrades in many, many years to come.