I am not sure "CAM owns" the aircraft I know for a fact when 600-750M worth of ABX aircraft went to CAM no money changed hands. Cam would have to come up with some serious cash before they could "claim" ownership. Now transfer to CAM.... a leasing company owned by ATSG for accounting purposes that is a different story. As far as ASIA goes...intra-Japan is the issue ABX has it as a one time only with after market cargo doors...whether that comes into play with ATI I have no idea.....

 

"still many ABX captains doing 300K" is a bit of a stretch...I think at any airline you have a few guys that "*****'" themselves out but most are in the 180-200 range and that is only because of vbb and screw-up pay...ie..carryover days..training on days off or the odd JRM. The company loves the few that do not put a value on their home life and are willing to do the work of 1.5 pilots and work 25 days a month and only have to pay benefits/training/retirement for 1.

 

Well, when CHI bought ATI, we actually took a delay out of LAX so the new ownership paperwork could be updated, it was that important to them. I'm sure insurance drove that more than anything. Either way, CAM, at the stroke of a pen, became the owner of all of our aircraft. No idea whether our cheap DC-8s were bought for a symbolic $1 each, or what, but now we had to pay lease rates on planes we once owned. I'd guess ABX owns none of theirs, either. What better way to manipulate cash flow accounting?

I have no doubt that ATI was losing money after BAX shut down. We had planes and people sitting, huge training costs, minimal consistent revenue beyond the combis. But any claim of losing money at this point is either an outright lie to cover up the accounting shenanigans, or a lit neon sign that we have no business being in business, because we obviously can't cut it .

 

In other news..... the second 757 was delivered today. N763CA was flown from OSC to ILN and joins N151GX.

CAM (or ATI) also already said this aircraft will have to get a new registration since it is to close to N763CX. This must be an ATI request since CAM stopped ATI from changing 312AA to 764CX back in 2011 AFAIK.

I think CAM "owns" all the aircraft. They have most of the DC8/727s for sale on their website along with 364CM available to lease.

Cargo Aircraft Management - Fleet

 

Thanks, that's good to hear, regarding 763CA. It would be nice to reassign reg nos to reflect our history: N751CX to N754CX, but they appear to be taken by a run of Citations. Hope we paint them as well. After all, they will serve our country, and should exude a little more pride than a plain white tube. I find it hard to believe that we are so far along in this process, but still have no idea when these planes will start flying. N71CX is done now, just finishing an engine change at MCC before she heads west. Also interesting that 721CX is shown as being a freighter for sale on CAM's web site. We kind of still need her...

 

I thought the same thing..... unless plans have changed again and all five 757Combis will enter service at the same time. The new seats for the 757s are in ILN though (what a mess that was). I would assume N151GX or N556CM will be the first one flying. Also, 757 Tabletops are in the works too.
That or we can un-mothball 722CX

Plus the third 757 is being delivered today from OSC. Its registration is N259CA. So depending on how you look at it, ATI now has four 757s on "property" in theory.

 

I thought we only had four 757C's. We have five??

Dxr, do you have the tail #'s of the five, and which of those are the three we picked up from National?

THX,

FAJ

 

I thought it was going to be five aircraft ultimately. A one-for-one replacement with 721CX being the last one to go because of the GE engines. Plus National had four aircraft in OSC.

When talking with a friend who worked with 151GX at another airline, he indicated it wasn't a great airplane because it had a high OEW and low MTOW (230,000lbs). That probably has all changed with the conversion. Other then that he seemed to indicated it wasn't a hanger-queen which is a good start. All of these airplanes have done very limited flying in the last 2-3 years.

N556CM - Marcel van Noordenne's Boeing 757 Website - 26273/0597
N151GX - Marcel van Noordenne's Boeing 757 Website - 24451/0227
N763CA - Marcel van Noordenne's Boeing 757 Website - 26154/0486
N259CA - Marcel van Noordenne's Boeing 757 Website - 26152/0478
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N168CA - Marcel van Noordenne's Boeing 757 Website - 27259/0609
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N168CA is the fourth aircraft in OSC and I assume it will also be delivered making five aircraft total. Maybe not though. It might be a B757F instead.

If you see reference to N176CA, ignore it as National flies this aircraft in a full passenger configuration out of DXB. If you see reference to N169CA, ignore it. They used to fly that one in a full passenger configuration out of DXB but returned it to the lessor and replaced it with N176CA last summer. Now N169CA is in VCV being converted to a full freighter and will be going to FedEx. If you see reference to N459CA, ignore that as well because it was the planned registration of N151GX had it flown for National. National's owner has the initials "CA" and he wants all his aircraft to end in CA.

AFAIK, the plan right now is to not put IS&S panels into these aircraft. Instead they will all be the EADI/EHSI (Fast/Slow I guess) displays. However, they all will be upgraded to the PEGASUS FMC and maybe the MCDU which should include GPS MMRs (think 712AX). This would allow for one worldwide navdatabase instead of what is currently done with the 767s.

By the way here is Cappy's fourth 757.....
N557CM - The Boeing 757 Website - 23687/0106

 

Hey, FAJ, National was originally going to have 4 combis. 151GX, 259CA, 763CA, and 168CA. I believe the first 3 are on their way to us, not sure what became of 168CA, maybe the conversion was cancelled and she went full freighter. The Precision bird is 556CM.

 

Jeez, NCR, way to steal my thunder! Honestly, your great post above wasn't there when I signed on. (nice job in doing so, though, I must admit!)