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Old 08-20-2020, 09:40 AM
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Some ATSG Training news.
https://m.benzinga.com/article/17127587

more good solid long term planning. Not only can they train their own pilots, but they can accept outside contracts too.

some ATSG company news
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301112269.html
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Old 08-20-2020, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverShytoAsk View Post
Based on what one can read in the news, ATSG (Omni’s parent company) was a big and public supporter of the Trump campaign in 2016 and got rewarded nicely with deportation flights and Covid-19 bailout money, even as revenue of the ATSG group increased during the pandemic. Some left leaning media even got into the habit of calling Omni now “The Deportation Airline”.

There is quite some critique in the news and the political left about this, which I personally find not justified. In particular, the claim is that Omni has now pretty much a monopoly on a lot of “high risk” flights with the current government and that contracts are given without sufficient oversight and are being “overpaid”.

No matter if that critique is justified or not, I wonder what happens if Biden wins and the immigration policy makes a 180 turn (no more deportations) and the contracts to fly military personal get shaken up and rewarded and/or paid differently. Based on what ATSG management already said on the last investor call, they already expect a relevant reduction in passenger flights in the second half of 2020.

Does anyone have any insight on this, in particular how diversified Omni is in order stomach expected radical changes under a democratic presidency?

ATSG is much more optimistic about its cargo operation of their other “airlines” ABX and ATI. The natural question to ask is if the pilot groups are completely separate, or is it reasonable to assume that in a worst case scenario some Omni pilots would get “transferred” to the cargo operations?
According to research by the Pew Research Center, deportations of unauthorized immigrants (aka "removal") actually peaked at 432,281 in FY2013, which is basically the end of Obama's first term and beginning of his second term. They then dropped to a low in FY2017, which would have been the last part of Obama's Presidency and the beginning of the Trump presidency. While deportations have started to rise again under the Trump administration, they are still well behind the peak reached during the Obama administration, and the Trump administration's deportation rate at this point in his Presidency is actually well behind Obama's at the same point in his Presidency. So perhaps Omni did get some benefits from supporting Trump, but it certainly does not appear that their business plan is dependent on the Trump administration's policies.
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Old 08-20-2020, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
Company seems to have done very well under the 8 years of Clinton and the 8 Years of Obama. I think they're blowing smoke up your butt. Omni will be fine. Their stockholders report was very optimistic for all their owned carriers, not just ATI and ABX.

Great first post by the way........

Oh, three separate pilot groups to answer your question.
Yes, you and ObadiahDogberry are correct concerning Omni's history under Clinton/Obama. However, please be aware that the massive increase in deportations under Obama was not much politized by the Democrats and mostly muted in the left wing press. Seems a bit different now, as almost the entire political Left and the press agree that deportations are inacceptable.

You are right that the stockholder report was very optimistic, even on the long-term prospects of Omni. However, the CFO mentioned that Omni was able to offset the negative impact on "commercial passenger flying" in the first half with unique opportunities (charters) due to the pandemic, like repatriation-type missions and transporting energy workers. This is now dwindling down. So, there will be an obvious gap to fill until sports teams and vacation travel companies catch up again.
Anyway, my intention is not to sound pessimistic. ATSG (and with it Omni) is in great shape and a fantastic company to work for. I'm just sharing those info as I assume that some pilots are not following investor news in great details, and it always helps to see things in perspective.
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Old 08-20-2020, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverShytoAsk View Post
Yes, you and ObadiahDogberry are correct concerning Omni's history under Clinton/Obama. However, please be aware that the massive increase in deportations under Obama was not much politized by the Democrats and mostly muted in the left wing press. Seems a bit different now, as almost the entire political Left and the press agree that deportations are inacceptable.

You are right that the stockholder report was very optimistic, even on the long-term prospects of Omni. However, the CFO mentioned that Omni was able to offset the negative impact on "commercial passenger flying" in the first half with unique opportunities (charters) due to the pandemic, like repatriation-type missions and transporting energy workers. This is now dwindling down. So, there will be an obvious gap to fill until sports teams and vacation travel companies catch up again.
Anyway, my intention is not to sound pessimistic. ATSG (and with it Omni) is in great shape and a fantastic company to work for. I'm just sharing those info as I assume that some pilots are not following investor news in great details, and it always helps to see things in perspective.
The info from one news article copied and pasted by about three other media sources a few months ago had so many inaccuracies that most of us ignored it. ICE flights are not a large part of the operation. IAero is big on those, not Omni.
You made the comment/theory/insinuation that you didn’t think Omni would fair as well under a Democrat administration. Then when confronted with the facts that we did fine, you admit yes, we were right.

Thanks for sharing (resharing really) articles that were posted here months ago when they were first published.

No planes have been parked
No pilots have been furloughed
A management team that mostly works with us, not against us
No plans to furlough are even being discussed.
A new to us 767 was recently put into service at Omni
Another new to us 767 is on its way this year
In the past two years the 767 fleet will have increased by 33% (Two-thirds of that this year during the pandemic)
New Hire classes slowed but never stopped
New hire classes are continuing to run right now
A new to us training center has recently opened
We continue to interview and hire
The window opened last week for 4 hours. 1200 applications flooded the system.

whatever doom predictions you’ve been reading or hinting at are pure malarkey.

This job is the best kept secret in 121

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Old 08-20-2020, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
The info from one news article copied and pasted by about three other media sources a few months ago had so many inaccuracies that most of us ignored it. ICE flights are not a large part of the operation. IAero is big on those, not Omni.
You made the comment/theory/insinuation that you didn’t think Omni would fair as well under a Democrat administration. Then when confronted with the facts that we did fine, you admit yes, we were right.

Thanks for sharing (resharing really) articles that were posted here months ago when they were first published.

No planes have been parked
No pilots have been furloughed
A management team that mostly works with us, not against us
No plans to furlough are even being discussed.
A new to us 767 was recently put into service at Omni
Another new to us 767 is on its way this year
In the past two years the 767 fleet will have increased by 33% (Two-thirds of that this year during the pandemic)
New Hire classes slowed but never stopped
New hire classes are continuing to run right now
A new to us training center has recently opened
We continue to interview and hire
The window opened last week for 4 hours. 1200 applications flooded the system.

whatever doom predictions you’ve been reading or hinting at are pure malarkey.

This job is the best kept secret in 121
Are they still doing classes each month? Interviewed in June, and got an email in mid July about being in the hiring pool, but there has been no news since. Just wondering if anyone has a guesstimate of how long those of us in the pool will be swimming.
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Old 08-20-2020, 01:14 PM
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There was a new hire class in July. I've heard they want 30-40 more through the end of the year. Since so many street captains were hired there was a slowdown in FO new hire classes and they are still trying to get those through IOE. Management has seemed to always find flying for us. Fall flying usually gets slow anyway, especially around holidays. Anything could happen though.
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Old 08-20-2020, 02:57 PM
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A flying slowdown might actually be good news for newhire classes. Get some of these guys out of the airplanes and back in the classroom/sim.

I will say that the Sept. bid pack was pretty thin on known flying.
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Old 08-20-2020, 03:27 PM
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A flying slowdown might actually be good news for newhire classes. Get some of these guys out of the airplanes and back in the classroom/sim.

I will say that the Sept. bid pack was pretty thin on known flying.
Do you imply that the people who do ground school/sim instructing have been needed out on the line so new hire classes are running at a reduced efficiency?
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Old 08-20-2020, 10:24 PM
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I mean I can't say for certain but I've flown with ateast one sim instructor in the last couple of months...
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Old 08-22-2020, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by saxman66 View Post
There was a new hire class in July. I've heard they want 30-40 more through the end of the year. Since so many street captains were hired there was a slowdown in FO new hire classes and they are still trying to get those through IOE. Management has seemed to always find flying for us. Fall flying usually gets slow anyway, especially around holidays. Anything could happen though.
Have you heard any info at all on the class that was meant to start in August, if it was delayed or if it already began? Just curious
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